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The Russian Supreme Court has determined that the International LGBTQ+ movement is "extremist" and Russian police are now raiding gay bars in Moscow.

If that news is correct, I see this as a huge step backwards for human rights, and a shame on Russia.

But I can't help but wonder if it still would have happened if the LGB people had pushed back harder against the extremist elements among the Ts.

rabble 2y ago

The arguments made today about the Trans community are the same ones made a couple decades ago about Gay men and Lesbians. It is just that those groups are more accepted and the Trans community is scary. So it is easy to other them. The whole point of coming out was to make queer people visible, because it’s harder to hate a group as a whole if you know and like individuals in that group.

Putin and other authoritarians are pushing an anti LGBTQ+ agenda because they can scapegoat a small minority blaming them for why people don’t feel safe in a rapidly changing world. The repression is terrible but I don’t think it’s the fault of anyone in the queer community.

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Mike Dilger ☑️ 2y ago

I had a trans friend around y2k (lost touch now). Worked with one at Sun MIcro. I respect Catelyn Jenner and Chelsea Manning. I've had many gay and lesbian friends. I lived in SF and hung out in the "Vibrant" crowd and regularly did Burning Man. I'm atheist and have no religious hang-ups about it. I'm libertarian and think people should have freedom over their own lives.

But gays and lesbians decades ago never tried to physically permanently medically modify children without letting the parents find out. And they didn't physically threaten and mob people for speaking their dissenting opinions. I have mixed opinions on womens sports and the bathroom issue (although I lean towards the TERF side) so I'll stay out of those minefields. To me the big issue is transitioning of kids without the parents involvement- that is so far over the line that I could see myself committing manslaughter in a rage in order to protect a child.

And It seems to me there is a lot of projection from radical trans people and opportunist medical practicioners onto children who are not perfectly gender-normal that he or she wants to transition, and the sooner the better lest puberty hit and the transition be less effective... when in fact many of these people would grow up to be gay or lesbian, and some of them would grow up to be straight, and plenty of them are regretting the social pressure they caved into, ending up with mutilated bodies, dysfunctional sex organs, and too often committing suicide. Anyhow, my point being that there is an extremism of late that might have been supressed a bit if it were pointed out by members of the LGBTQ+ community rather than always defending trans people regardless of how crazy they get.

So if there is a backlash against the whole group, while I cannot condone it, I understand it.

But that's just my opinion, looking from afar.

Brunswick 2y ago

I have no hate for trans people. Lets leave men's issues out of this for now and focus on young girls. Girls are more compliant, trusting, needing to feel accepted by their peers and superiors. They are simply more vulnerable to dysfunctional social currents around them. My disagreement is with the medical, pharma, education and psychological industries pressing for "rights" of children to hide their medical history from their parents. It started with girls getting condoms, then it was birth control, then it was IUD, then it was abortions, now its puberty blockers. All of it creates adults that are infertile and dependant on the system for all the horomonal anf psychological damage they are subjected to by the system. The parents are told they have no right to protect their daughters, and now it is becoming law. The popularization of trans has nothing to do with making them more accepted, its psychological warfare to destroy the west's fertility and we aren't up to the challange to defend ourselves.