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The complicated aspect about the Social Security system in the United States is that it was falsely marketed.

It's called an "entitlement" because people pay into it and are supposed to get it back like a pension, regardless of whether they are rich or poor when they retire. And so the Baby Boomer generation views any cuts to their social security as a rugpull, basically. It's not insurance or charity; it's an entitlement.

However, although it was marketed as like an entitlement/pension, that's not how the math worked out in practice. And it's because population growth is slowing. It was based on ponzi math, assuming that every generation will be bigger than the one that came before it. But the Baby Boomer generation was huge.

In addition, when Social Security was created, the retirement age was set near the average life expectancy. Many people would not live long enough to collect it, and most would collect it for a handful of years. Only a small minority of outliers would work for like 40 years and then live off social security for like 20+ years. But then over the decades, life expectancy increased by like 15 years, so the default assumption is indeed that someone can work for 40 years and then have 20+ years of retirement, even though the amount they pay into it doesn't really mathematically cover that. It's not designed for that en masse.

And so Baby Boomers had like a 3.5 worker-to-retiree ratio to support in their peak earnings years, while Millennials will have more like a 2.5 worker-to-retiree ratio or less to deal with. Which means they get a worse deal. Many Millennials don't even think they'll get it at all, despite paying into it.

That breaks up the social contract and sets up inter-generational political conflict. "Fourth Turning" stuff.

It's a big reason why "defined benefit" plans are inherently unstable; they rely on being able to predict the future.

And it's also a big reason why, when speaking about deficits, nothing stops this train.

The root problem here is that nowhere near enough young people vote.

If they did, they'd still be able to sway the vote enough to cut spending on the elderly. But because they mostly don't vote, they're going to get screwed.

Frankly, they collectively deserve to get screwed. Inaction has consequences.

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Or they can just leave the country and the elderly left behind can blame themselves for voting stupidly.

Unfortunately most of the boomers are going to die thinking they were winners

They're definitely going to die :-)

Not only are younger people more mobile so it's easy to physically leave, for the US specifically young people would face a much lower exit (unrealized capital gains) tax when they do so.

The problems will not be solved by 'voting harder' or blaming younger generations. The underlying issues stem from a flawed system of democracy and statism.

Voting for what?

Voting is a scheme that makes people short term responsible for things their votes won't change anyways in order to excert power over others without their consent.

Pretty much sounds like fiat mindset.

Build your family, your community. Communicate and respect the limits/consent of each other. This will bring humanity so much further than any vote for the lesser evil ever could.

"Democracy" sounds nice on the surface. But only if you don't take inherent violence/tyranny of the enabled into account.

Voter turnout for the 18-25 demographic was its highest in 50 years in 2020. Still not close to what the turn out is for the 65+ demographic though. There are about 50 million in that 65+ group, so I'm not sure if turnout is the main issue here given the population sizes and the popularity of the program across all those demographics.

I think as Lyn put it, it is a marketing issue. I don't think people know enough about how the program works to be able to vote accordingly. It probably wouldn't be nearly as popular of a program otherwise.

The idea we can cut any sort of government spending through voting is laughable. In fact, the idea you can change anything by voting also is laughable.

If they can just vote harder, all to problems are gonna be fixed for sure!

I don't remember the last time voting fixed anything

They were screwed before they were born and you want them to participate in it. They’re the ones that will be cutting throats - as they’re the ones who won’t have anything left to lose.