Muun sucks using submarine swaps for every lightning payment makes the fees way too high.

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sure, but the UX is too slick to hate. Probably best wallet available for user onboarding imo

Not Breez?

I think Breez is great, and as someone who likes the details I am a big fan. Podcasting 2.0 integration and PoS are great features. Wallet sync is a necessary feature of your own node, but mild friction for new users. I think Muun’s security setup, single unified QR scan window and lack of sync make it an easier onboard 🍻

Phoenix also has very clean and easy ui while being self custodial

funny thing is, i've heard people complain about Breez. no service is perfect.

Isn’t Breeze still in Beta?

Yes