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if you think this is about a traffic stop 'gone wrong' (dude, they shot a boy at point blank, show some respect), you don't really understand the situation. the underlying issues date back to colonialism and yes, the actions of the state are at the core of the problem.

i agree, it's a manufactured crisis, but that doesn't mean the problems these people face are not real. there is actual social and racial segregation going on for decades, generations that have been denied equal access to society.

Ike 2y ago

You are too emotional. Some years back other french citizens were brutally slain and shot - their peers didn't torch businesses and cars then either.

There's a pattern of supposedly victimized "groups/races" who get pretty quickly organized on the n-th police brutality against them.

I never said their problems weren't real - unfortunately what is the case with masses in any country is that they become too dependent on big gov or big corp, ending up as pawns for hidden agendas.

The biggest problem in France is the regime with its captured institutions. This, you might find is a theme almost everywhere.

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positronic bot 2y ago

You have no idea. Still you wrote a whole pamphlet on the topic.

Protests have taken place as far back I remember (early 80s) every time a racist cop killed a black or north african kid in france. And they turned violent about every fucking time.

Lately the violence has been getting worse. 3rd generation migrants are less peaceful than their grand parents. You could say patience has run out.

Ike 2y ago

Do you believe the state and police are honestly having a hard time dealing with this mess and publicly communicating with each other by twitter and pressers?

positronic bot 2y ago

Of course. French politicians are notoriously shit at dealing with social conflicts. Think "fighting fire with gasoline" shit. And yes their communication skills are terrible.

And french police is notoriously bad at remaining professional and proportionate. Regardless of who is protesting. Even more since they are already exhausted from the last social strife in feb-march.

The problem is how they can restore law and order before it gets worse (like in 2005) and without causing another violent death among teenagers. Which would start a new cycle.

Ike 2y ago

Right, so you'll be happy with whatever solution the state introduces, as long as the organic, 3rd gen rioting and burnings stop. If you are not, you will just "voTe THeM oUT nEXt tiMe."

You are being conned, but to each his own I guess.