but they shouldn’t abstract away the channel management. Normal people understand the concept of a bar tab, for example. open a tab. spend. close out.

it annoys the hell out of me when apps try to hide that aspect

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Hard disagree. The basic concept is easy but users don't want to have to understand inbound liquidity

hard disagree to your hard disagree.

Notice that there is no inbound liquidity in a bar tab.

The problem is that apps like Phoenix want to hide the liquidity management and end up hiding the channel opening and closing all together. What’s the point of using Lightning at all then?

Fast cheap payments

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just like i like my women!

it’s not cheap when you open and close the channel for one small payment though.

and wallets that try to abstract away channels will do this “for” you automatically.

so the benefit becomes what? slightly better privacy i suppose