Full write access to everyone is not an option. Unconnected newbies could maybe zap to get noticed.
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Spammers could too. Let peers learn to detect and block spam. Make spam block filter lists exportable and importable so that they can be shared. Spam filters will be spammed to the point of spam implosion.
I was a walk-in, with no idea Zaps were a thing. And I came from SSB, so not exactly untechnical.
This DoS is actually very stupid and simple, and Nostr is choking. I get that our relay operators are volunteers and "weekend warriors", but man, its been 24 hrs...
Proof of Work? Then the walk in newbie doesn't need Bitcoin - just a nostr client...
There's a NIP for that already, and using it would stop an attack this primitive in its tracks
Users who are concerned about more sophisticated attacks could also benefit from adding context to their social graph so that the context can be factored in to their WoT calculation
I'm a walk-in newbie, no sats. I like participating. Proof-of-Posts/Participation(Work) is the way forward. Go beg/borrow/study FUTO's harbor social vouching process and see if there is something to learn or cooperate with their collaborative vouching model... I think it all depends on the network effect, so nostr will ace that, but FUTO has grayjay aced... So many wheels to reinvent. 🤔
That is also terrible for onboarding the (currently almost mythological) non-bitcointwitter newbies, who for the most part join here on zero sats.
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How would you limit write access then? Storage and bandwidth are limited, and will be filled with spam unless you limit write access somehow.
I know nothing lol. I appreciate there has to be a solution. Maybe nostr just has to further become a silo? Seems a huge shame if so.
Do paid relays stop this, I mean even the ones with like 21sat fee or something small? Invite codes to relays?
I'm just throwing out silly ideas as a non-techy lol
If say a small fee relay was effective against spam you could could have some sort of weird system of donating the fee to a zero sats noob.
I don't know🥲
Nostr invite codes? Is that a silly idea?
You could have receiver pays fees for people who already have sats. Or sender paid fee for people without sats. With a very small fee. (What is even a small fee that is also a spam deterrent?)
How silly is this idea? Possibly incredibly silly and impractical #asknostr
Yeah, invite code to paid relay would be one simple solution to newbie-friendly spam prevention. This is not limiting anyone's freedom: users can always choose what clients and relays they use. What works best will be most popular.
A bot spammer is a lot more likely to be willing to zap "for attention" than a newbie. Also, you don't get to decide who has the right to write.
Instead of spending so much time and energy trying to figure out ways to censor content and effectively make Nostr more vulnerable and unsafe to use, the tech-inclined minds could focus on developing more sophisticated client-side tools that empower users to curate their own feed themselves, the way they like.