You carrying water for the suits with this take. War and genocide are not mutually exclusive. Genocides are often committed in the context of war. Israel has repeatedly expressed genocidal intent, and indigenous resistance fighters have been fighting an illegal occupation since 1948.
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Okay, let’s unpack this for moment because I want to be clear about some of the words you are using. And, please, if we’re going to have a discussion, limit your insults, or it’s not worth my time.
First, could you provide me with a couple examples of “genocidal intent” which you say are done “repeatedly”?
Second, with regards to your use of the word “indigenous,” is it your assertion that Jews were not indigenous to this area before 1948? That’s a really strange claim considering, um, the well documented and recorded history of the region (as well as the archeological record).
Third, I’m curious about your understanding of the word “occupation” given that Israel completely pulled its residents out of Gaza and handed it over in 2005.
Yes these Europeans are not indigenous. What’s your proof they are?
Francesca Albanese has done a great job documenting the genocidal intent expressed by israelis in section 5, page 12 of her report, anatomy of a genocide.
https://www.un.org/unispal/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf
And you’re not wrong about jews always having lived there. That is different than creating a european liberal democracy “jewish state” for a bunch of european settlers to displace the local population, which is what israel is. Remember that Palestine was not the only place they were looking at to create this state.
And occupation means exactly that. The Europeans displaced Palestinians from their homes in 1948, and have not left since. Here’s a great book on this topic you should check out for understanding. https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781627798556/thehundredyearswaronpalestine/
Israel controls everything in Palestine (Gaza and West Bank). It’s a prison. So yes it’s an occupation.
Hi Suhail. What’s your view about Hamas’ ability to build tunnels (i.e. massively complex construction projects underground) and launch rockets into Israel (i.e. which is expensive and high tech)?
1. Who do you think is funding those projects, and providing all those weapons? This is a sincere question, and I’d like to know your answer.
2. If Israel “controls everything,” how are Hamas and other groups able to build these networks of tunnels and acquire these weapons, let alone train and run a military? Do you see the contradiction?
3. You call it a prison but, as a Palestinian, yourself, did you ever visit Gaza City before 2023? Don’t you remember nice neighborhoods and restaurants with foodie culture and malls and markets?
4. Since you describe yourself as a Catholic, I’d like your opinion on this roundtable discussion from the National Catholic Register:
https://www.ncregister.com/interview/roundtable-just-war-hamas-israel
Hamas is exercising their right to self defense. Israel is the oppressor. It’s obvious. How they are able to do it is cuz they’re not retarded like you. Just cuz they’re oppressed doesn’t mean there aren’t ways.
And, right there, you expose yourself.
I don’t know if you’ve ever had a rational discussion with an adult before, but answering number 2 by saying “it’s obvious because I say so” doesn’t make me the retarded one.
It’s also really significant that you have no answer for my questions 1, 3, and 4. It reveals a lot about you.
It’s clear that you don’t want to have a discussion. It’s clear that you don’t even want peace. You are now muted.
1-The genocide of Palestinian people started with the Nakba. More than 60 years ago.
2-Americans and Europeans occupied Palestine and colonized it expelling the indigenous population. (Known as Palestinian)
Israel has been doing settler colonialism since it’s inception. It’s despicable.
This is such an incomprehensible load of nonsense. Where and when did you learn the history of the region? Are you a sock puppet account?
Muted.