Then you dont care about fairness in sports, you just want to exclude trans people.
It WOULD BE a performance enhancer for a cis women to take T to compete against other cis women.
It WOULD NOT be a performance enhancer for a trans man (on T) to compete against other men because they all have comparable levels of testosterone.
Are you retarded? We're talking about trans woman, having a MASSIVE ADVANTAGE against women. Do you know what FAIR means?
You said people should only play with other people who have the same chromosome type. And I didnt even bring up intersex people who make up 1-2% of the population. I dont think that sorting based on chromosomes is fair.
It wasn't me who said that and I honestly don't know how to sort it out but this is just cheating the system.
Do you honestly think this swim was fair to the real women?
I think it should be a case by case basis when it comes to professional sports. I dont think this is as applicable in K-12.
This is a yes or no question.
Do you honestly think this swim was fair to the real women?
I would need to know more medically relevant information. And she is a real woman.
*trans woman.
And yes, you're retarded if you need medically relevant information to judge what's fair to the real women.
Bzzzzt.
XY is enough. That's not a biological female so your argument ends right there, period.
Stop being a fucking idiot, please. This isn't a nuanced discussion, you're just dense enough to not get it.
What about trans men or intersex people. Since youre appealing to chromosomes.
You either are just transphobic or you care about fairness. If you care about fairness, then this is a nuanced discussion. If youre just transphobic, then its not.
I think you're now just creating an argument for its own sake, so you can get fucked.
Im pointing out that hormones matter and when transition started, not the XY chromosomes
I feel you are completely wrong and vehemently disagree with you.
XY is enough, full stop, in regards to trans women. Trans men I don't care about aside from adulterants being used to gain an unfair advantage, and intersex I don't care about because there's so few.
What about intersex people which are comparable to red headed people. You havnt addressed that.
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Where should intersex people know where to compete? Almost like these answers require nuance 😄
I don't have an answer to that, but the fact you keep needling on about it is pretty annoying.
We've progressed from trans women to this because of your comments. I'm fairly certain you're a troll with nothing better to do.
Im not a troll. Im getting you to see that chromosomes arent everything and there are plenty of bio markers that would make a trans women to be comparable to cis women in sports.
You're not getting me to see anything because I believe you're completely wrong.
Also, your totally moved the goalposts with trans men and intersex. Those weren't the topic, yet you dragged them in anyway.
Like I said, troll.
Trans women who havnt gone through male puberty, should be able to compete against cis women in most cases
Your belief is a house of cards.
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You're a troll.
This isnt a but. This is perfectly on topic.
Yeah, if you keep moving the goalposts like an asshole.
I havnt changed any goalposts. The only purpose of bringing up intersex people was to shake up your binary understanding of chromosomes and sex characteristics.
That's called moving the goalposts, troll.
If you want to think im trolling go for it. I know the talking points youre engaging in.
You literally think the physical advantage is not a problem at all, and yet it totally is. It's a problem.
Oh, those poor boys who couldn't hack it in their chosen sport decided it was easier to challenge women instead. That gives abuser vibes, like I had initially said.
Im not trolling
I can say its possible there could be a disadvantage at place without attacking her for not being a “real women.” Because this is a nuanced discussion.
I'll attack 'her' for clearly using a physical, unchangeable physical advantage to win a swim competition.
You can't unbake a pie, but I assume you think that's actually possible. In don't know what to tell you, if you're really that stupidly obtuse. Grow up.
It really all depends on the trans women, where they started their transition, the sport, the degree of hormomes they have. Plenty of factors at play. Youre being reductive when you say that trans women have a MASSIVE advantage.
