Interesting. Weird q: can you use either of these as a first pass to clean an old bbq (get the rust/deep grease off) before actually cleaning it? Or it’s a harsh chemical so stay away?

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Yeah, those are actually great products to use for cleaning rust. It gets under the rust and lifts it of. Spray it, let it sit for a min, then scrub off the rust. It's not too harsh as far as chemicals go so it shouldn't peel the paint either. Just make sure you repaint and seal up the spots where u removed the rust or else it'll appear again pretty quickly.

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