Study it, stop looking at the surface.
It's not what you think it is. Not even close.
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Imagine a nocoiner telling you why governments can shut down Bitcoin or why it's a ponzi or how it's boiling the ocean.
Then remember how deep the Bitcoin rabbit hole goes.
Mysterium is not at the same level, but it is a rabbit hole that is worth a few months of your time studying if you're interested.
If not, then have fun staying centralised with your VPN
Bitcoin works even when everyone is censoring it as long as you and your recipient use it.
The asymmetry is on the side of the users.
Mysterium’s value proposition apart when the target website blocks it.
To block Mysterium takes a sum of cash any company can easily find.
This then leads to node earnings dropping. Operators spend more time for the same earnings.
Users get frustrated as they have to try multiple nodes to find one that works.
The asymmetry is not on the side of the users.
Stop talking, start studying.
You have still not provided a reasonable counter to my arguments beyond “just study it”.
If you make claims, you show proof.
The proof is there for anyone with common sense that it is an uphill battle for any (decentralized) VPN to bypass blocking.
Yes,
“If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.”
There are 2 cases. Either this is in fact revolutionary, or that it is bullshit.
You have shown nothing that makes me even slightly lean towards the former.
I'm pleased for you 😂
If you are genuinely trying to understand and wondering why I've given up discussing it, we may have a cultural or spectrum clash.
My view of the world is if you don't understand something, you ask questions, or at most humbly suggest possibilities, you don't tell an relative expert how the thing you don't understand works and expect a civilised response.
Telling a founder of the commercial Internet they may not understand how often IPs are changed is probably not a wise tactic if you wish to engage me or seek information from me.
Telling me how Mysterium works after a cursory look at the website or interface is probably a bad idea.
Asking me if you understand something correctly after a quick inspection is a much wiser approach and will incentivise me to provide help and support.
This feedback may help you engage others more successfully in the future. I wish you well 🫂
This response makes me 😁
I asked you how it would not be possible to build a list of IPs running Mysterium, and how any of the things you mentioned like nodes going offline/online throughout the day or connection costs would impede a motivated attacker.
You then instead told me that I didn’t get it and that you have more experience so I must be wrong.
To be humble you need to understand there is always things you don’t know or understand, and that your mental model of things may be incorrect 🫂
We've moved past that stage now.
Good luck with your future.
I have not looked at the website but intuitively I feel like I think I know how this would work and it makes sense… it’s like never ending infinite ports out technically in my mind so now I have to go down this damn rabbit hole of mysterium
Yes, it's not infinite, because you have to run an exit node, but yes.
So it’s like onion routing?
No, Mysterium isn't, but Mullvad just partnered with Obscura to create an onion routing like service.
I asked Obscura if it worked with Tailscale here:
https://x.com/mdhardcastle/status/1949442089902547039
https://mullvad.net/en/blog/mullvad-partnered-with-obscura-vpn