Yeah, this is a good read on it.

I think it lead to it being more rough then the normal podcast were used to. I actually think its healthy that they disagree. none of us know what the 10 years looks like. I lean more towards Saifs worldview but it's helpful to picture both.

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He even said to Saif something like, “now you’re getting all Maxi on me.”

I’d wear that one as a badge of honor.