What are ethics? Ethics are a subset of heuristics for desision making. The subset consists of decisions that affect other sentient beings. Many decisions don't (should I drink water now or later) but some do (should I steal this motorbike).

The moon has no ethics. Algae probably has no ethics. Mice have limited ethics, generally related to how their decisions affect fellow mice.

Ethics are mostly hardwired into you when your brain developed, and they were determined genetically. If we didn't have this hardwiring, the cost of thinking through a decision would be overwhelming (the game theory is incredibly deep) putting you at a huge survival disadvantage. But ethics can be learned from society (necessary adaptation!) and also consciously chosen. Although I'd argue that we have far less ability to consciously choose our ethics than we think we do.

Because ethics come in part from society, children have big wide openings in their underdeveloped ethical systems. Children will often believe that stealing, murdering, cheating, etc, might be the smartest move. It takes parents and/or life experience to discover this is almost always incorrect. Some adults have "arrested development" and continue to operate with under-developed ethics. These people tend to be in and out of the prison system. We could argue about whether this is genetic or developmental or environmental or societal, but that would make this post far too long and more controversial than I was intending it to be.

The ethics that a Christian has and the ethics that an athiest has are different:

1. Athiests don't believe there is any ethics to praying, going to church, or paying tithe to the local minister, keeping the sabbath, not eating pork, or any other god-given rules from a god they don't believe exists, wherein the rule is esoteric and doesn't affect their fellow sentient beings.

2. Athiests feel it is unethical to disrespect the non-standard sexuality of a person, whether homosexual or transgender, whereas Christians appear to believe it is unethical to have non-standard sexuality in the first place.

3. When it comes to treating others with the "golden rule", the ethical systems are virtually identical, except:

4. Religious people have some carve outs for stealing and murdering (as evidenced by Israel).

If I have a choice of dealing with an atheist or a theist, I feel safer dealing with the atheist.

I've heard some Christians who believe the world would be much worse if it were not for Christians. That without Christianity, people would partake in all kinds of activities they feel are unethical: stealing, cheating, murdering, etc. But if it is only your religion that prevents you from doing those things, that frightens me. I would *hope* you were born with (and developed) ethics that prevent you from doing those things just because they feel very wrong. So for people who think they would benefit from harming others, please keep going to church!

I don't know any Palestinians. I don't think I even know any Arabs. And yet I feel great empathy towards Palestinian women and children and doctors and aid workers when they die. If atheist's ethics were only selfish, I wouldn't feel like this.

I agree with the whole first half of this. I'd quibble with the notion that poor behavior for theists is only restrained by their beliefs.

It comes back to your very astute point that reasoning about ethics in moment to moment situations is very difficult. As a result everyone, theist or atheist, is operating off neural lookup tables for daily operation.

What matters in the end is "right action." What drives that action is only important, insofar, as it has a greater or lesser likelihood of misdirecting right action.

Intelligence itself is only a useful adaptation in that it gives the owner the ability to periodically update their lookup table when new conditions arise. Religion is not a restraint upon behavior, but rather a set of heuristics for updating behavioral responses.

Those heuristics are incredibly complicated because, as you noted, the game theory is incredibly deep. Thus instead of laying out an explicit logic, containing every possible branch, the truths evolve into stories that compress the information into a structure that is both easy to process and more importantly, easy to replicate between hosts.

This is super important, because social interaction is mind-bogglingly complex, lookup table updating can't just work for the smartest 1% or 50% it has to work for everyone. Story compression allows that to be accessible even to people baffled by basic logic. I'd argue that even the very smartest folks can't come close to processing the requiremed theory without extreme compression.

This is why I'd argue that theists are not necessarily better people, but a world with theists in it is infinity better than one without. It gives society a way to evolve and act cohesively.

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I don't myself think poor behavior is only restrained by one's religious beliefs. But I've heard some religious people talk as if that was the case.

I don't doubt they exist, but I am skeptical that anyone who practices religious in the negative is actually restrained much by it. By that I mean the difference between

1. I accept the challenge of trying to be a better person as laid out by these helpful cheat codes

2. "I am afraid to violate these cheat codes for fear of wrath." Or "I do it for social or political gain" crowd.

1. Attempts to do better because they love the good.

2. Just want the appearance of virtue for others esteem. Due to the overhead of paying attention to one's own behavior I doubt their stated beliefs actually affect their actions much.