How could it, when it is all about regulation?
Check the price of regular car and how much of it makes the "eco penalty"
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I think the number of human to car ratio has reached peak. There are enough chassis on the planet that can be restored/modded to serve 4.2 billion people (or whatever the percentage is who can purchase cars). Quoting hhgttg: “I thought cars were the dominant species on this planet and I was trying to say hello”
Upcycling is always nice. You are right
Nice. So far they are the exception though.
They are exception because of the subsidiaries system. There was zero VAT until 23 I believe, they still pay lower taxes on EV and there are many other tax or similar advantages.
Simply their business case work, because the price is paid by all taxpayers.
It's nothing to look up from my point of view.
Well. It is actually pretty complex but in general you can simplify into two topics - safety regulation and lately all the laws and rules about climate. Those are making cars unnecessary expansive.
Take a simple cheap car, such as Dacia Sandero or whatever. In EU even this totally basic car has to have complex systems like reading of road signs (which is not really about safety, but that is another story). And that is just one example, this is of course running for decades, and it stacks.
But lately even more problematic is so called CO2 penalty. Each automobile maker must reach average target of CO2 per car. This is simply not technically possible because of how it is set in favor of EVs.
So, in standard car price there is usually hefty part of price for it. The more simple (reliable, cheap) the bigger issue it has reaching those limits.
This is effectively killing small and cheap cars in EU, since you can`t hide this price increase in price of such car (it will be no longer cheap).
As an example, I have at hand table from Czechia in 2020 (today situation will be worse, the penalties are increasing/limits are harsher). Top ten cars, inclusive detail about CO2 limit, CO2 car produce (on paper of course) etc., and in percentage price increase from this penalty (second column from right). As you can see it can make 35% i a small and cheap car such as Hyundai i20...
Interesting.
What do you think in general about the car market in Europe? I mean, people don't buy electric cars because they don't like them, for example they cannot make more than 200 kilometres without recharging, or they cannot buy such expensive cars. In fact, are people buy even newer used cars than what they already have or do people just keep what they have? If you know...
Well.
It has again many sides, combination of many factors.
But in short the cost/benefit ratios are not there even with all the subsidiaries of EVs and all those artificial price increase of petrol cars.
Early adopters already bought them, rich people have them (as one of their cars). And that's it.
And since the reality is more and more diversing from "marketing leaflet" and price is not going down as quickly as hoped (and promised) there's simply no big market for EVs at this point.
Oh and what is the story about readong off road signs? I am curious
Well. It's same story just the excuse is safety not ecology.
Again state is making many things in car mandatory. It started with things like ABS, which sounds reasonable, but it is classical road to hell paved with good intentions slippery slope.
Nowadays "for safety" even the cheapest car has to have many mandatory systems and equipment which are not demanded by customer but by state (EU, whatever).
Things like automatic braking, speed warning systems (which needs to read the signs to be able to work) etc.
In reality those systems are often annoying or even dangerous but as a customer you have no saying in that.
And that's secondary reason why many people here are not so hot into buying new cars.
Thanks for these explanations.
Are new cars also spy on you? I heard that somewhere, but i don't know 🤷
Oh yes.
Part of those mandatory systems is gps and ability to collect and send data, reasoning being in case of accident to call help and send location. Again sounds very nice, but who has access to the data, who is doing what with it?
And what will come next? Once the car has all this the application for totalitarian means are endless.