My favorite Bitcoin maxi conversation revolves around the “99% of altcoins are scams are scams” argument

Every time I ask what are the 1% (or 0.1%), people frown at me & give the most predictable NPC answer which usually doesn’t mention any coin names but calls me a shitcoiner.

Very few guys have the balls to admit that Monero, Litecoin, Grin & Kaspa are fair. Even fewer dare to admit that Ethereum and Zcash have merits and push research beyond commonly held beliefs about what is possible and what is not.

But I’m always amazed to discover how out of touch these guys are when it comes to markets. Some will openly say that USDT is great… but mention you should only use it on Liquid & Taproot Assets where the liquidity is abysmal. When you mention that Tron, Solana & Ethereum have 1000x more volume, they will make some predictable excuse about Tether not needing decentralization.

If you point out that WBTC on Ethereum has 100k BTC locked in it while Lightning is stuck at 5k for half a decade, you’re a shitcoin apologist with high time preference.

But the same guys who call themselves maximalists will express strong (and extremely predictable) views against Drivechains, ZK rollups, ZK STARKs & Shielded CSV. You know, the stuff that actually scales Bitcoin and brings more users from other networks in order to pay the miners for security.

This whole culture is beta decel fuckery, not much different from Amish people preaching to city dwellers that electricity is evil. Burn it all to the ground and learn to ignore the grifters & feds who try to stall progress for their own benefit.

Try new software, learn new stuff. It doesn’t cost you anything to install a wallet, join a Telegram chat where community members will gladly send you some coins to play with, and think about whether or not you’d like to see it on Bitcoin.

It costs you nothing to think for yourself instead of reciting from the lazy NPC textbook. It costs you nothing to understand the spirit of open source software, where people run experiments to test new ideas in the wild.

2017 was 8 years ago. So much has improved since then. You’re probably smart enough to distinguish between something that pushes new tech and a memecoin/ICO token.

Escape the matrix and dare to explore and ask questions. Outside the Bitcoin drama, there are people who actively build the future of money and finance. It’s all open source. To survive, Bitcoin will have to embrace some of it. It’s better to learn now than to fall behind.

Remember the wonder of discovering new stuff about how Bitcoin works? You’ll find much more of that in Ethereum, Zcash, Monero, Kaspa, Quai, and other state of the art blockchains that truly push the limits of the parameters some people built cults around.

You call yourself free, but you’re afraid to try Ethereum which is an implementation of Bitcoin’s colored coins/Counterparty? You like Blockstream, but you haven’t tried their tech on Monero and Litecoin? You think you understand how privscy works, but you never tested the Zerocash protocol on top of Satoshi’s tech (Zcash)?

It’s time to start learning! The future of Bitcoin depends on it.

Btw, Kaspa fixes all of this. It’s solves the trilemma.

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Can you explain the trilemma problem like I'm 5.

1. Secure: significantly resistant to fraud, attacks, and manipulation. Nobody can acquire the asset without trading time and energy for it.

2. Decentralized: no single person, entity, or group can change the network without consensus.

3. Scalable: easily divisible and quickly portable or available to trade.

If you were 5? I guess I’d say you can be confident the work you are paid for won’t be stolen, diluted, or changed and you don’t need anybody’s permission to access it or spend it.

Just to poke the bear.

Doesn't Bitcoin solve all of those. And has first movers advantage and network effect?

Bitcoin can’t scale. It’s not used as P2P cash as intended but Satoshi. Hence L2s like Lightning and mottos like “never sell your Bitcoin”. The transaction space per block is not there.

I do disagree. I'm confident it can and will scale with tools like lightning and ones being built.

I'm not educated enough to go deep. But I haven't been convinced something else is a better solution and that bitcoin isn't the alpha

Sure it can scale on the L2, but it’s not Bitcoin, right? There’s a reason your Bitcoin and Lightning address isn’t the same. There’s a reason Watchtowers exist for retroactive regulation of bad actors. And yes not permission-less unless you are on your own channel. You need somebody to allow you to transition Lightning Sats to BTC, like Jack. And Lightning transactions don’t support the miners. And the fees are unpredictable on Lightning.

Just knowing that Lightening doesn’t support BTC miners should be enough for you. “Never sell your Bitcoin” and L2 isn’t Satoshi’s vision. Bitcoin can’t scale as it is. Saying it will in the future is a subjective hope. And that’s fine, if that’s where you land. Subjective hope is something. But objectively, it can’t scale as is.

I will continue to read your posts and others opinions.

I appreciate your contrarian approach 👊

Mostly, I just don't see anything at the moment that actually does solve any potential problems. So this pleb here will just keep stacking and reading. 🫡

Is this Cody?

I just came across this convo again and i don't remember a WildBill

And by all means, poke the bear. I welcome challenging consensus. If we don’t all challenge consensus, that’s how you end up getting vaccinated for COVID.

Do you disagree?

So like Bitcoin but without some Dev team calling themselves core taking money from Blackrock to fund their work?