I was bullish back in the days on mutiny but yeah it’s a testnet wallet and nothing else than that
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nobody works harder than that team.
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I didn’t say that they aren’t !
The fact that wallet is broken is something that should be taken into consideration! I been telling to ditch the Voltage LSP for months because it’s shit! Tony, come at me 😏
all I said was the team works hard. I'm not sure I'd call the wallet broken just because it has problems with things that unfortunately are issues in the lightning network itself.
The wallet is broken because it doesn’t work ! Whenever I touched it I had issues! nostr:npub1u8lnhlw5usp3t9vmpz60ejpyt649z33hu82wc2hpv6m5xdqmuxhs46turz can say that I’m not lying ! nostr:npub1r7psmkr4zv93xnal8un6d8hvmpsn5jvhfzn3kk38rfcel6awznks7znspg also can prove the issues with finding routes I had and tried to withdraw few million sats in fucking small batches spending an hour to withdraw!
P.S. what I’m saying that it is not ready!
oh I'm well aware of its issues. I stopped using it months ago because of the constant force closes. I don't disagree with you. all I'm suggesting is we raise up the developers we know work really hard on this tech than just yelling about.
Well people are loosing their sats and devs don’t listen to them! Who wouldn’t you yell?
Yeah I lost sats on it and never used it again
You gotta trust somebody no matter what.
We better not need this in bitcoin ! It’s designed other way around!
The beauty of Bitcoin is not that you HAVE to minimize trust, but that you can. People can choose to make trade-offs for a multitude of reasons.
Imagine a group of lightning nodes ( trust minimized) who belong to a federated Chaumian mint. They can use ecash to settle debts amongst themselves. They can even concievably integrate this in the node software. The end user making a lightning payment takes on none of these risks as they for through these efficient modes. But the nodes introduce trust only amongst themselves to benefit liquidity.
Or consider the #Aqua wallet. Using fully trust minimized trade-offs to make and receive payments over lightning (hot wallet) while allowing the user to store on the base layer (cold wallet), and liquid BTC (warm wallet). In this case the user DOES take on the risk of the federation colluding, bit no one forces them to. And they can minimize the amount in separate there. They can also choose to only use the base layer.
All of this possible ONLY because of what you are saying about how Bitcoin works. It's beautiful!
Not a fan of mutiny by the way...
The only reason I was a fan because they recklessly been testing different implementations to help solve the current problems! Then I changed my mind because nothing is being solved. They will come to this point!
Yeah. I like the basic idea. And the concept of a hot wallet of any kind is tricky. My main issue with that one is it combines to many risks into one thing for my taste. There have been others I've warmed up to over time. I might come back to mutiny. I just use Sparrow and Zeus. (Well, I'll always run electrum too)
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