Yea I would expand on Lyn's original comment to be many libertarians and anarchists are really just collectivists of various stripes. They are just rightly disillusioned with the uniparty, and latch on to something that hits some of their beliefs but not being philosophically grounded, always get hyper tribal and run back to Daddy Gov when shit gets tough or whenever some politician tickles their fancy (see the Milei and Vivek slob fest for what I mean).

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Exactly. It’s understandable and unfortunate but definitely a better to and fro than what normies see as a to/fro between left and right versions of statism.

The way I see it, anyone who at least gets to the realization that the system is fucked, just not sure how to proceed, has potential for the next steps. And when it comes down to it, there are far worse ideologies out there than a genuine conservative leaning.

Gradually, then suddenly