Both sides are still talking past each other Calle… you wrote well and articulated Core’s argument but I have yet to see any engagement with the real concern here, namely that Core pushed through an unpopular and poorly understood product with worrisome defaults (whether they’re actually good or bad is not the question) and a stated intention to eliminate choice altogether in the near future.

Again, whether the concerns are justified or not is a separate matter. Most of us are not technical enough to understand. We just want civil debate so we can side with the people who seem most reasonable and sane. Core came across as arrogant and unwilling to listen while their supporters have engaged in ad hominem attacks and just generally compounded Core’s behavior.

Knots has, in many cases, come to appear cult-like. Mechanic’s key arguments seem lost in the whirlwind (Knots supporters have missed the nuance) and I don’t see Core supporters engaging with Mechanic’s logic. As he says, Core is arguing “filters don’t work” but Mechanic is not basing his argument on that point. He even agrees that Core is technically correct.

I and others just want to see a civilized discussion (like you’ve put forward here, Calle) that actually acknowledges the perspectives put forth by either side.