Nostr Web Client

I don't really consider what you are experiencing as shadowbanning. Simply, occasionally people are getting misidentified as spam.

Shadowbanning, in my mind, is a intentional manipulation of the underlying infrastructure to control what event get out.

This would be true if nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5z was

into the filtering system to manipulate it to mark people he hates as spam.

I don't believe this is the case.

7fqx 2y ago

I somewhat agree, I actually don't think vitor is doing what you are describing and I also don't think it is merely an amethyst problem (again I am speaking from a place of confusion lolol).

There are a couple things. There's the spamfilter system, which seems mostly fine just occasionally faulty.

But really I'm speaking about the blocking system. Which is not just on amethyst but seemingly on all clients (?). Where if 5 or more accounts you follow block a user. That user is blocked for you.

I'm just thinking that this is creating a shadowban list, which isn't much of a problem now. But perhaps moreso as nostr grows(?) You have a handful of 'must follow' mega-followed accounts and whatever accounts you follow. It's not very hard to see how someone saying something unpopular will make it onto a v widespread blocklist.

Again I am confused by all this..this is just my reading.

If you were to see this on BlueSky would you not call this a shadowban? No meant to sound rude btw. Just out of curiosity...?

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WheresAlan 2y ago

No rudeness detected.

nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s is right that this isn't nostr in general.

It's just what the client you are using has implemented.

So what I would do is gather proof and open a issue on the github. It will help zero in on the issue so it can be fixed.

WheresAlan 2y ago

Regarding bluesky I wouldn't call it shadowbanning unless I knew that their system was autoblocking specific targets due to the devs meddling with how their algorithm identifies who gets blocked.

Not saying autoblocking is good. Should always be up to the user.

But my definition of shadowbanning is that it is

intentional act of manipulation.

Maybe my definition is completely wrong?

7fqx 2y ago

I was kind of under the impression shadowbanning doesn't necessarily mean it was caused by a deliberate malicious manipulation, although that is often how it happens. But isn't necessary to the definition. I have no idea. I'm grappling with neologisms and a protocol I don't understand, all whilst being a silly goose at work.