The Blocksize War wasn’t a grassroots victory. It was Jihan Wu vs everyone else.

He fought SegWit to protect ASICBoost, tried to bully consensus with hashpower, launched Bitcoin Cash when he didn’t get his way — and lost. Not because the arguments beat him, but because the economics eventually did.

He bet against fee pressure, bet on bigger blocks, and thought miners should dictate the protocol. Turns out the real power came from exchanges and infrastructure — the economic layer that refused to follow him off the cliff.

So when Jonathan Bier says “the users won,” he should’ve added a giant fucking asterisk:

*Users = Bitfinex, Coinbase, Kraken, major wallet providers, and infrastructure operators. Not your uncle’s Raspberry Pi node.

It wasn’t node count. It wasn’t Reddit sentiment.

It was the fact that economically significant nodes aligned with small-block Core, and miners followed the money.

The grassroots didn’t win. They got lucky that the economic layer agreed with them. Some revisionist history will be required once “users” learn this truth the hard way as the current drama unfolds.

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Can you explain more to me? I’ve read the book what’s missing in the story?

There’s a conflation between “user” and “economically significant node”. The story is great and actually isn’t missing much- but how he frames the conclusion is very misleading since it deceives people into believing that grassroots users were the victors. They benefitted for sure- but mostly they weren’t part of the real fight.

…And this is relevant today because most people still think that grassroots users (who don’t run economically significant infrastructure) have more power than they actually do.

I would say it was the users. The price told the story where the future of bitcoin was going. Any fork of bitcoin increasing the future cap will also go the same way, people will hoard the most scarce and valuable and sell the less scarce.

Cap was never in question, separate issue entirely

Cap is always in question when you lose decentralisation. It was in question then, it’s in question now and will be in question in the future. What many Bitcoiners don’t get is that with Bitcoin there is no point where “it has won”. There is only “it won for now”. Freedom and sovereignty require constant vigilance. You make too many compromises for long enough and eventually you end up under someone’s foot.

Largely agree with the second part but I don’t think there has ever been a serious proposal with legs about changing 21 million

Yes, but we all know there’s probably never gonna be a proposal for raising the 21M that would be taken seriously. The cap is attacked in more roundabout ways.

Maybe… but I think focusing on this when it’s not an issue dilutes stronger arguments for the Bitcoin as P2P cash position

Yeah, but it's the main worry people have

It’s ok to be vigilant about 21 million but I think people will struggle to take an argument seriously around a technically nuanced issue if it’s centered around what can be perceived as fear mongering or slippery sloping

💯 also an important point is that 2017 was a much different era regarding PoR

Remember the 2019 “were going to use merkle trees reserves” wasn’t until later that we got some zk SNARKS style

Exchanges held so much soft power in 2017- whether that money was really there or not… we’ll never know

Thanks FTX? 🤷🏼‍♀️

Thanks FTX 😂

Hodlings aren’t really a powerful lever tho… unless you’re planning on dumping and tanking the value of the chain split you don’t agree with or something like that.

Really hard to see the upside of that for exchanges especially since they are incentivized to be neutral.

Even if they didn’t have what they say they had (I agree likely in many cases) the real power was in controlling the settings of the transaction flows.

But let’s talk about POR merkle roots in OP_RETURN..

So how vulnerable are we, the hodlers, today, to another threat like this?

Depends what you define as “threat”. What are you worried about?

The hodlers don’t have any power and never did is basically what I’m saying. You are at the whims of what these other groups feel is most important to them. One of those things might be your loyalty and usage of their products, so their reputation in the “hodlers” eyes matters to a certain degree. But if you aren’t even using their systems and off in the woods somewhere by yourself with your node not transacting then they don’t need to care about you and neither does the system.

Jihan's antics and the XT bullshit before that were my formative bitcoin experiences. You're absolutely correct about "economic nodes" and that's directly relevant to our other discussion 🙃