I’ve tried the podcast recommendation route, but it doesn’t seem substantial enough no matter which one I go with.

I recommend the fiat standard (even just on Audible) for my friends who aren’t Christian. If they’re a Christian, I usually start them off with a piece I wrote where I overlay the current moment onto the Exodus story.

If someone makes it through that they have my full attention.

Before they put in the work I’m usually not motivated to answer questions.