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I tried to find a computer I could install Qubes 4.2 on in order to do some testing.

First was a Xeon server. Booted the installer media, got grub and selected the installer... black screen. Bust. But it's a server, so not a huge surprise, but I was hoping.

Dr. Hax 1y ago

Next I tried my previous desktop. Of look, no power supply. Easy enough to rectify.

Oh listen, beep codes. Turned our to be memory issue (seating dust, bad slot... whatever it was it's not happening now).

Booted and grub said it was Ubuntu 14.10! Wow, what a throwback. It turned out it was actually 16.04, but that's still pretty old. Worked fine though.

The CPU was an AMD Phenom II X4 965, which was from 2009. It's 3.4 GHz, but, unsurprisingly, it didn't have IOMMU support and so I couldn't run Qubes on there. The installer didn't even manage get into grub. Some error about i386 modukes not found (which is peculiar, since this is a 64-bit CPU).

So the search continues...

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Dimi 1y ago

Run it inside proxmox?

Ava 1y ago

for evaluation possibly but running a hypervisor on top of a hypervisor is not recommended for security. "nesting" increases attack surface.

https://forums.whonix.org/t/whonix-installer-error-line-176-kicksecure-whonix-updates-over-tor-and-s76-hcl/16464/36

Dimi 1y ago

Meh.

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Dr. Hax 1y ago

I'm testing USB passthtu to a physical hardware device, so virtual machines are not the solution here, and it's not very often I say THAT.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

qubes depends on xen and xen hardly runs on anything

whonix is better if you want to try containing everything

a home made solution would be to run every app inside nspawn, not sure how to navigate the interface to the GUI, should be able to use a container network interface, linux namespaces are practically as good as xen isolation

Ava 1y ago

"hardly runs on anything" is a bit of a stretch. the hardware compatibility lists and certified hardware lists display many compatible device options. some hardware is just not up to the standard. qubesos comes with whonix and it's amazing for privacy and security. but, i digress since dr. hax (another qubesos user) is well aware of this 😊

Ava 1y ago

https://forums.whonix.org/t/whonix-installer-error-line-176-kicksecure-whonix-updates-over-tor-and-s76-hcl/16464/36

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

i've tried installing qubes on about 6 different machines over the last 5 years or so and never got it to work, and it's because of xen hypervisor, i can't get that working on anything either... and maybe that's because i'm a fan of the red branded cpu/gpu maker, but i'm not using a cpu that is named as a spook agency nor a gpu maker that has a name derived from the latin word for envy

not gonna change my mind for nobody, AMD or die

intel chips are more expensive, more complicated, and have lower raw parallel performance now, less cache, and more crappy scheduling, and nvidia continues to refuse to open source their drivers so screw them, idgaf about paying an extra 5% power bill for the privilege of not using their closed blobs

Dr. Hax 1y ago

I'm right there with you on the AMD front.

I've had a laptop that had some weird problems with the installer. I tried a bunch of creative solutions and ended up returning the laptop and buying one from the Qubes Hardware Compatibility List (HCL). Worked perfectly the first time, restored all my qubes and was back up and running in a few hours. Had all my files, settings, browser tabs, command history.

As long as you have current backups (and you should), changing computers is a dream come true with Qubes.

This motherboard is the first time I've had trouble when picking hardware from the HCL. It may be that the unit I have is defective and just ordering another of the exact same make and model would fix everything.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

yeah, it's not worth it, in other words

because you have to use intel cpus and that's no choice, makes you wonder, really, doesn't it? or are you dim?

Dr. Hax 1y ago

As I said, I use AMD CPUs, not Intel.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 1y ago

and how many AMD vs Intel in the HCL?

Dr. Hax 1y ago

Basically every AMD CPU being sold today has what it takes to run Qubes. Their video cards are preferred over any other brand too.

Look, just because I utterly destroyed your insinuation that Qubes doesn't run on AMD doesn't mean you have to go grasping for straws. Just take this as a learning opportunity. You can still hate on Qubes. Just hate on it for something accurate, like not running on a Raspberry Pi (yet)