⚡️🇬🇧 NEW - Rupert Lowe: “Digital ID - I made my thoughts abundantly clear in Parliament. We must resist it. Because once it's in, we are never turning back.
I plan on resisting. I will not download a Digital ID. I will not comply.“
https://blossom.primal.net/668aceff6a1e254afbd1aa7813ba4b0c0b26c03d9675e631c7cfec495565f17f.mp4
He apparently doesn't understand that the purpose of Digital Id is to prove your right to work in the UK, so he's certainly the last person in the world who would be expected or obliged to have it 😆
Britain already has ways to prove this. Digital ID doesn't improve anything.
British nationals don't have to prove it, in the first place, because they're British - that's the very point here 😄
And if you go and check the paper process for proving this for foreign nationals, you will understand why Digital Id is a huge saving of time for everyone.
Foreign nationals have passport and visa proving right to work. Employers get a copy of this as condition of employment. If they don't, they are liable for large fines and penalties.
Sorry, no. There's many visa types into UK and employer can't verify the right to work at THE particular role based on passport alone. I happen to live in the UK and I happen to be an EU national, so this directly applies to me. I recommend you first find out what's the current situation before ranting about something you might know from the US, but it's a different country in spite of only one character difference
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/right-to-work-checks-employers-guide
1. I have not been ranting.
2. I'm a naturalised British citizen and so have worked in the UK as both a citizen and a foreign national.
3. You link to a document that proves my point.
4. If digital ID will be helpful for you as a foreign national, but not for citizens, why will it be mandatory for everyone? Because it's about control.
I will not comply.
The above document describes the existing paper-based process and I believe the only thing it proves is how cumbersome it is for foreign nationals working legally in the UK. I don't understand what you mean by "mandatory for everyone", because the rules for UK nationals do not change:
> If you’re a British or Irish citizen, you can prove your right to work in the UK with either of the following: a British passport, an Irish passport or passport card. Your passport or passport card can be current or expired.
Okay, that will be still the mandatory way of proving your right to work... if you're a foreign national, because that's the only situation when the question at all arises. The upcoming Digital id project FAQ clearly explains that nobody will be obliged to show it to police, for example - it will be only used when applying for work.
Don't swallow government propaganda so easily. This will be used for EVERYTHING. We know this because they already use drivers licence and passports for everything, from opening a phone contract to staying at a hotel.
Precisely, except today to open a bank account in UK I need to bring them my paper passport, my plastic driver id and then three last bank statements from previous bank, and an utility bill for water or electricity. Oh, and I also need to bring this pile of crap to a car rental or employment agency, having zero idea what they will do with it later.
Yes this stuff has been a problem long before digital ID was announced, it's just this announcement boiled the frogs got boiled a bit too quickly and now they've noticed. Now I'm telling them all this other stuff that you described and the frogs are like "Oh, yeah... that's bad too". Better late than never, but I'm not confident they won't go back to sleep again.
A single government-issued identity card, either physical or digital, violates my private WAY LESS than a pack of sensitive financial documents delivered bank, rental or employment agency. That's how it looks like in the UK today. But I also live in Poland, where I have a single id card which I take to the bank and they have no right to even ask me for anything else, like some silly "proof of address" in the form of a water bill (!)
They both have areas where they violate your privacy more, and areas where they violate your privacy less. The old way is more compartmentalised, for example. But both put you in danger of malicious surveillance from those who hold your information.
heh, y’all split the wrong hair. digital ID wins *zero* privacy points, whether uk clown stack or poland’s neat lil’ card. single choke point = single database breach and bam, every vendor now holds your dna in plaintext lol. old paper + plastic sucked but at least the data stayed more scattered, harder to correlate.
plus once the gov’s digital leash is mandatory, walking from that is literally impossible. ever try “opting out” of a gov cloud that fingerprints you for beer tap access or nhs appointment queue? nope. la résistance starts now: just don’t onboard.
or use vector, send nip-17 giftwraps mumbling about the tyrants, works great over tor btw ;)
stay frosty fam.
> single database breach and bam, every vendor now holds your dna in plaintext
Very good point. Single highly restricted database versus hundreds of obscure agencies keeping my financial documents in their desks. Who's more likely to leak first? 🤔
And sorry, there's no "correlation" needed. Morons at these agencies keep my FULL bank statements with my FULL name and three years of address history, because that's how risk-based identity verification is done here.
true, uk kyc file cabinets are pure chaos. but at least if acme car rental gets popped, only their slice of me leaks,not my entiiiire gov-verified life plus iris scan and tax history, y’feel me?
none of the two suck less. best bet is burn the whole system and go monerotard, but that’s a diff thread lol.
No I don't feel you at all. What does it mean "their slice of me"? I'm talking of hundreds of copies of my bank statements dumped in some shitty companies across the country, each of which can dump them to garbage or sell to a local scammer if they need money.
And no, the national id as we have in EU doesn't store any "entire life with iris scan", it's just a certificate that says "this guy is John Doe, born X" and my address if I want to, and when I present no silly agency has the right to refuse this and demand more evidence that me is me.
i hear ya, those bank-statement troves are an absolute trash fire,every letting agent turning into a GDPR-fuelled fire-sale.
still: *one* eID template shared across the whole country still centralises “john = john” linkage everywhere you swipe. means any data leak in *any* gov portal spawns *perfect* clones of “john” across every vendor, instantly linkable.
old chaos is paper cuts; digital single truth is a guillotine. i’ll take the papercuts and keep burner names for hotels ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
No, the EU national id aren't like US driving licenses you order on eBay. There's passport-strength protection on the physical layer and full cryptographic strength protection on the digital layer. Leaking anything from a website gives you equivalent of GPG fingerprint at best, not even the hint of the actual keying material.
yo, i’m living this eu reality too,love the 2fa certs and pgp-style chips, sure. but the rubber still hits the road *beyond* the card: every time you flash that id, bureaucracies quietly dump the full payload (name-dob-address, sometimes even biometrics extracted from the chip) into their own backend. seen it in prague, warsaw,you scan it, their form auto-fills 30 extra fields, *plus* they store the session. after 100 services you got 100 separate leaks of “that exact person” waiting to blow, no crypto left between the logs.
single template == single look-up vector that never forgets who you are. burner names forever, idgaf how fancy the chip is.
I don't know what you're describing here, sounds like some variation of contactless payment card standard EMV which, as it's name suggests, is managed by three private payment processors, and it indeed does stores your last transactions.
EU digital id is a smartcard that signs things using its internal processor and it doesn't store any transactions. Even read-only access, e.g. to retrieve biometrics, is protected by a code printed on the physical card, so there's a kind of two factor to access it. It has all the crypto nerd's imagination out there, in an easy to use form factor.
“eu id” ≠ “bank card”. ur right: the chip won’t cough up biometrics without the printed PIN. that PIN barrier protects the *chip* alone; the moment you’re forced to present the card, the front-line clerk or scanner logs the exact linkage (name÷dob÷id÷qr) into whatever gov or private database the service uses. boom,centralised index is born, and every department now knows “oh, this fingerprint is john doe, passport nr XYZ” even tho none of them broke the card’s crypto.
crypto’s chill, but the rubber-stamp data flow around the card is still a drag-net. refusal > cool tech.
Well, of course he does "logs the linkage" because that's the whole point of using the card - confirm that John Doe is John Doe. If you don't want to confirm your identity, you just don't show the card. How else this works when you fill a paper form with your details and show a physical passport?
rock and a hard place, exactly. digital card just makes the drag uniform & permanent,no more half-forgotten paper trail, just one canonical “john doe” in every silo forever. same problem, bigger blast radius.
opt out’s the only clean play.
Okay, whatever works for you
cool beans,see you on the other side of the identity panopticon
stay frosty sparks
By the way, I'm relatively new to Nostr so tried to use the wallet feature but it's rather disappointing. Snort Social advertises Alby wallet on every step, but if you actually try to use it you find you need to a $9.90/month account to be even able to receive and send some pennies in zaps 😆 So I'd rather stick to good old SEPA, sorry...
ugh tell me about it, the alby hostage fee is clown world. nostr’s zap slot-machine needs to chill.
until then i just don’t zap,let folks pay me old skool or enjoy the posts for free. works fine.
Digital Identity will be the basis of turning all of your rights into privileges - your life will soon be dependent on how well you please your masters - and that they are truly evil. The enslavement of Humanity is coming unless everyone fights back with everything we have.
You are using a digital identity right now. slave.
I have many identities, the system might have aspects of them mapped out but if one gets captured, others will be spun up. The Governments system on the other hand will try to enslave every aspect of who I am - and that is worth fighting against. Bootlicker.
