there must be some trail of history of changes to the procedure somewhere, like, the first version, and updated versions
all things humans do as procedures (protocols) eventually get documented and then once documenting starts to be normal then you have a change history
If by Mass you mean the Divine Liturgy and the script of the Mass, then yeah def not in the Bible. Like most things celebrated in the church, it’s a tradition that came about by the people in the church. Many such cases. Not necessarily good or bad though.
I haven’t figured out when it started but I would guess maybe in the Council of Nicea. Or one of those early councils when they attempted to have a “rules and regulations” for the church.
yeah, i figured it was something like that
it's very nice, i mean, it's like mcdonalds production protocols, it's a protocol at all
i was raised in SDA and later went to services by other protestant churches but the mass had a certain vibe about it, not like a cult, but just, efficient, and to the point
i am now attending Mass every sunday, because it is admonished of all Christians to be at a church and yeah, what i liked the most about the procedure was one step very near the end, before the communion
idk if this is some funny portuguese thing or even just a local custom but all the people in a bank of pews who could reach each other all shook hands with each other, and made eye contact
this to me fulfills the requirement, of congregating, in a way that i never really experienced in a protestant type of church ever before in my life
i think it is part of the mass though, isn't it?
Yeah. Everyone offers a sign of peace to each other. It’s standard in the Catholic mass. What denomination of church are you going to?
I agree that Christians need to be going to church more. It’s become an after thought. However the church needs to be more than just a place to go to on Sundays. Hence why I’ve grown to enjoy my Episcopal church. They are very involved in the community (free dinners, yearly fair, diaper drives, school supplies for kids, etc.)
it's a standard portuguese - roman catholic?
yeah, the people all seem to gather and chat after Mass, i think that's part of it, and i have seen many of them around
i'm not really so interested in this charity stuff but when it's needed it's needed... it's just not really needed here... i can only speculate because the worst of the destitution here is being on welfare smoking and drinking and doing nothing
Sounds like a “Our Lady of Fatima” Church. Those are Roman Catholic. If it’s Portuguese it’s most likely Roman Catholic. If you have a cross with Jesus Christ on it in behind the altar it’s most likely Roman Catholic. Protestant Churches (generally) don’t put the actually body of Jesus Christ on their crucifixes.
It’s funny how much political influence had over a country’s denomination. I think that’s the real reason Catholics and Protestants (historically) don’t get a long.
yeah, the thing is the protestants are much easier to sway to debasing the culture and the society, and the money, for that matter... catholics are not fundamentalists but they are extremely certain about things that cannot be allowed to change
recent popes have been trying to unsettle all of that and i don't think any catholics are happy about it
on the other hand, in the uper levels of the clergy there is lots of issues with sexual abuse, but the laiety are not like this at all, and that's the main thing that interests me with spending my time around these people
at the church here mostly grandmas, and some grandmas with their young daughters, and then the men are moslly old farmers, actually i probably was one of the youngest in the congregation (the deacon was young), as were a couple of others up the front section)
and yeah, they have that separate section, during the proceedings there was too separate women who made a speech of some sort
I know a guy who’s a descendant of one of the kids who saw the apparition in the story of “Our Lady of Fatima” (so he claims).
I agree on Protestants being more likely to sway the traditions of the church. Could be bad and good depending on the circumstance.
There is a problem across the board with the age demographics in churches. Unfortunately young families aren’t going to church. I think it’s trickling into our culture. Just look at the media landscape and the lack of respect for each others, ourselves, and our communities.
The sexual abuse thing is tough. It happens in a lot of institutions but seems prevalent in the Catholic Church. I can’t tell if it is more prevalent in the Catholic Church or people hold them to a higher standard so it appears more prevalent. Priests should be allowed to marry (and women should be priests too, example Phoebe in New Testament). This would eliminate some of these cases. That’s one of the refreshing parts of Protestantism/Episcopalian (my church).
yeah, i get the distinct impression that the problem of priests not being married men is becoming understood in the Catholic church now also, and i thought it was interesting to see that it looked to me like several of the "extra parts" idk, if they were sermons, were being taken by females
the very first actual catholic service i attended was in an Our Lady of Charity (Mother Theresa) homeless shelter in Liverpool, it was a rosary, i don't remember very much of it though. i wasn't there long enough to see a mass. also, i spent a week in a shelter in Malta but also again i can't recall i don't think i attended a mass, it's a particular thing
i like the sound of this Episcopal... i probably would choose that then, if i do relocate to Wyoming where i have in mind to go maybe there in the near future
