Isn't Lightning Network was invented FOR low balances and fast micropayments? Why do you put up with this if there are other wallets?
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Yes, and this is pointing out some of the shortcomings of launching a Lightning wallet that isn’t ready for prime time. Channel management, liquidity, capacity, etc. are serious stumbling blocks and upstart projects like nostr:npub1mutnyacc9uc4t5mmxvpprwsauj5p2qxq95v4a9j0jxl8wnkfvuyque23vg are struggling because they’re relying on outside providers that aren’t getting the job done. I’m testing this stuff and reporting on my experiences with my own funds so others can make informed decisions.
100% agree
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If you would like to help the project out by providing logs so we can investigate this, we can take a look. Otherwise, sorry it's too early for you.
I sent nostr:npub1u8lnhlw5usp3t9vmpz60ejpyt649z33hu82wc2hpv6m5xdqmuxhs46turz my logs, have a look. I’m happy to help you guys test and improve this wallet because we need more reliable self custody Lightning options.
Worked instantly with no problem. So it's something up with your device. I'll have to wait till I get the logs from him.
I don't understand what you aiming for. They can't manage channels, don't understand liquidity and capacity, struggling with providers. Why do you care? They answered you only now and there is no answers...
I care because I want this idea to succeed. I’ve been in contact with the developers about this since yesterday.
Hence why I force closed my channels and stopped using mutiny🤣I think their heart is in the right place but their implementation is too early on, they will improve and then we will use them. That’s how the cookie crumbles
What about this product is so unique that you want to use it again after they solve some issues?
I don’t think like that, if a product used to be bad, but receives major improvements and becomes good. And I use it after said improvements and like the UX, then it’s good and I can recommend it. Just because something used to be bad doesn’t mean it always will be. The more lightning wallets we have the better, competition will lead to great features being thought up/implemented because everyone will want to be the best. I love the free market and so should you ;)
I understand what competition is. I asked what new or good on exact product that you support despite the fact that you stopped using it.
About what is good for us. Remember dotcom bubble. Before Facebook and Google there was so many competitors and suicidal investors... Or Bitcoin invention. Today on CoinGecko more than 10K coins that mostly won't exist in less than 5 years. No profit for most of us.
Okay firstly I just wanna say im not arguing and I believe we are having a productive conversation, sorry for seeming like I just blatantly disagree/coming at you in the previous message.
Concerning your question, you’re asking why I would go back to them. Mutiny have been pretty vocal about the roadmap down the line, including things like implementing splicing, taproot channels, ability to use different LSP’s. I think the goal for them ultimately is max privacy with little to no fiddling around the settings I.e. the perfect noob wallet for orange pilling someone for example. That’s how I like to think of it, I keep testing because I am bullish about bitcoin + lightning and I prefer to see things for myself rather than someone just telling me “this lightning wallet is pretty good” otherwise everyone will only use a handful of wallets and that will lead to centralisation, which no one wants.
interesting discussion.
just curious to know @alex choice of lightning wallet. i am using muun so far.
You should try to get off muun asap my friend, it was my first “lightning wallet” too. However they are not a real lighting wallet, your funds are held on layer 1 bitcoin network on chain, and when bitcoin transaction fees are high, your transactions fees on lighting will be too, which isn’t how lightning should be at all. I would recommend phoenix wallet for you as a starter sir.
i know it is not a real lightning network. but i use it mainly fir inbound lightning which is good because no channel opening fee and very stable. even phoenix i get random channel opening especially if i receive sats from fixedfloat which is not ideal. for zaps i just use the custodian ones.
That’s fair enough🔥
Phoenix for a little changed it's policy, now they're more friendly to incoming payments and fees reduced.
I'm using Phoenix for self custody, and WoS for in/out zaps, donations and other stacking/spending sats activity. In my country payments in other then national currency is prohibited, so amount of merchants using lightning network is around 0. Anyway, the functionality of the mentioned wallets is enough for me.
nostr:npub1qny3tkh0acurzla8x3zy4nhrjz5zd8l9sy9jys09umwng00manysew95gx someday advised me Muun Wallet, but I found not very attractive wallet recovery function using some sort of account and email binding, and a murky multi-signature scheme.
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