They have a market cap well north of $100b based on private investors who think they sound futuristic and innovative by declaring themselves SpaceX investors. They have come nowhere close to meeting their revenue projections over the years. Launch revenues about a billion and maybe another billion for Starlink. Look at Orbital ATK, ULA, Safran, Aerojet Rocketdyne and the telecom companies financials and market cap.

Entirely speculative market cap based on cult of personality, much like Tesla. Stocks are monetized and money needs no intrinsic value. Elon makes a relatively good local Schelling point for store of value to many people.

Their approach of reusable, large rockets is predicated on a surge in demand for launch far greater than anyone is expecting, and the proliferation of smallsats means way less mass/volume per satellite. Starship absurd excess capacity. They wanted to bootstrap with Starlink, but they are finding link budget means they cannot actually deliver great service (costs rising, and congestion reducing speeds).

Meanwhile 5g deployment is growing at such a tremendous pace, there will be wireless broadband in small towns that outperforms Starlink at a fraction of the price. Already the case in most places. I've been in various ~5k population towns where this works great, and the population in sub 1k towns ("true rural") is miniscule.

#[1] said they least about SpaceX because she is not an engineer, yet has enough data to surmise from Elon's character that something is likely awry, and I am happy to back her up.

You remember my ring, Peter? That's the sort of stuff that gets slowed down when people fixate on investing in things that are physically big/shiny, driven largely by reptilian instincts.

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“They wanted to bootstrap with Starlink, but they are finding link budget means they cannot actually deliver great service (costs rising, and congestion reducing speeds).”

In other words, Starlink is too successful...

Nothing you've actually said negates my argument. Obviously, SpaceX is a risky venture and could well fail for many reasons. But that doesn't make it a government subsidized grift. It just makes it a high risk venture.

Nothing wrong with a bunch of private investors potentially losing their shirts over that. In the meantime, customers like the US government get cheap launches.

Yes, the statements others have made with regards to the government being their customer being an invalidating thing are rather foolish.

I would have no problem with people making risky investments if it was actually their money and they had skin in the game, but most of the capital comes from money management schemes due to the absences of sound money (pensions, university endowments, etc), combined with people who know they can access the money printer against paper markups, thereby taking no real risk.

The misallocation of capital under faux-capitalism is worse than many realize, or are willing to accept. There is easily an order of magnitude more money in markets vs cash than will be present with Bitcoin, so it is extremely noisy. Real investors outbid >10:1.