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ah, i see. well, i took my analysis of 1776 from platypus affiliated society & gordon wood, & i agree with them until reconstruction & the gilded age & outright disagree with them when they talk about the history after 1917, but in general im much more sympathetic to arguments by michael parenti, michael hudson & jason hickle because i do think the world that the renaissance/bourgeois society tried to create got outcompeted by the industrial revolution & pulled the rug on the founding fathers because nobody couldve predicted the intensification of the US as an industrial powerhouse creating business cycles, creating a bloodthirsty national security state that "administers society in its best interest" & citizen's united.

i do genuinely believe the US began & sought out to expand self governance, but as the US began needed to get stronger capitalist institutions they needed to develop more european styled institutions to create a powerful nation state, which changed american aspirations for an "empire of liberty" to turn into manifest destiny & the erradication of natives

also, on the point of adam smith, i disagree staunchly. you will never find anyone more critical of capitalism than adam smith because he was the one who articulated how people needed to be freed from the unfreedom of economic rent seeking & also how the employer & employee were at odds with each other, with employers demanding less & employees demanding more, but karl marx is a radical figure because he inverts the ideas that adam smith had on its head & emphasises that the society of free labor is coming into contradiction with itself & becoming a source of unfreedom from where there used to be freedom, & the only way the continuation of the enlightenment could continue is through the recomposition of the dictatorship of the proletariat

I will admit he did critique it, by ignoring the inequality I meant more found it worth it. It would benefit the Rich and reach the poor over time, It would “trickle down” so to say. I find his writing Interesting and I'm not trying to insult him. He was critical to a point sure, but he ignored quite a bit. You can say he was right that market growth reached the poor because it did somewhat, but it created all new problems for the ones on the bottom as well. I do find the invisible hand of self-regulating markets to be 100% idealism.

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yes, but your confusing a modern tendency & backprojecting it onto adam's smith overall political project, capitalism was trying to free people FROM rent seeking while modern capitalism seek TO extract more rent from the entire economy by disguising trickle down economics as wealth creation.

when endentured servants were incorporated to bourgeois society & afforded the rights of englishmen, they moved further inward into colonial america, & the people that had endentured servants started to need to rely on other unfree laborers to carry out their tasks, but the economic concensus was starting to be had that endentured servants & gradually slaves would have the screws loosened up just like endentured servants & slaveowners would have to once again incorperate themselves with broader free labor/business society

That is, unless of course some technology (like the cotton gin) would be developed & would actually cause slavery to intensify & cause free labor to be put on pause & actually would necessitate that slaveowners tighten the screws on slavery.

as a matter of fact, one of the things that jefferson was thoroughly disturbed on his death bed is he didnt know how the problem of the slave owning south would be dealt with, & the fact that none of the european nation states supported the enfranchisement of slaves & america sought out to copy their institutions kinda explains why theres so many problems in modern america