show me how you establish the value of Bitcoin without touching fiat
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The value is relative to what you are trading it for, fiat is priced in BTC, not BTC priced in fiat and fiat needs to stop being used before that goes away, while people are using dollars they will naturally be worth a certain amount of sats just like how one xmr is worth a certain amount of sats
you saying "fiat is priced in BTC" doesn't make it a reality
and its your pet delusion until people are ACTUALLY setting prices in sats WITHOUT connection to their fiat valuation.
nobody does that.
therefore, Bitcoin is priced in US Dollars.
cope harder.