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Discussion
I don't think LN privacy is "universal and trustless." I just think it's better than monero.
On a related note: with monero, the sender has several options to hide his ip address:
- he can use dandelion to hide it, but that requires trusting the stem nodes not to reveal it
- he can use an rpc connection to hide it, but that requires trusting the rpc node not to reveal it
- he can use a vpn to hide it, but that requires trusting the vpn not to reveal it
- he can use tor to hide it, but that requires trusting his tor relays not to reveal it
Trustlessness is very hard and I don't think either LN or XMR achieves it. Most monero users probably use the second option, an rpc connection, and that is very trusting.
One can layer things up. For example use Tor in a VPN connected (and as far as possible trusted VPN) virtual machine. That way if one of the layers is penetrated the other still may hold thus reducing the overal risk.
layered security is wise. I wrote the above post to highlight that the privacy assumptions at the heart of much of monero's technology (and LN's too) involves trust. I don't think it's possible to completely remove trust, but you can always reduce the trust assumptions, and make things easier for end users.
In many ways I think LN does a better job of this than monero, for example, self-custodial LN wallets -- except Phoenix and Electrum -- use source routing, even on cell phones, and source routing has similar ip-hiding properties as dandelion. But monero wallets, at least on cell phones, don't even *try* to do dandelion. So a typical self-custodial LN wallet is superior to a typical self-custodial monero wallet in this respect.
In Electrum you can toggle between delegated routing (trampoline) and source routing.
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