You are talking to a 2010 guy. And yes I know plenty of people who saw BTC's potential starting as early as 2009. I don't have a grudge with Bitcoiners who came only after 2014. I know people need time in the market and certain experiences to readjust their view and strategy.

Being a proponent in Monero is nor different than being a proponent of Bitcoin in 2012. Lots of fiat nocoiner loud mouthes. Almost noone with enough foresight. Bitcoin was a scam back then, just like most Bitcoiners see Monero as a shitcoin today.

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Then perhaps you recognise my 'name'. Our time is similar. I helped with monero since 2014. And i will call it a shitcoin but with my tongue somwhat in my cheek. My views on it are nuanced i believe. I have held some for more than 10 years. I do not think it can replace bitcoin. And bitcoin has no chance at all to catch up with its privacy any time soon.

In the early days monero folks were bitcoinners first. But ones who saw the need for what XMR (MRO if you remember) achieved. As time went on the monero community took on the look of the big blockers. Vitriol. Jeslousy. Spite. And ideslism of course. Some good ideals. Unfortunately the spitefulness seems to be a significant thread in the community still.

And yes the black and white gatekeping maxis are annoying too.

Plenty of usenet style religious flamewars still being fought.

Anyway i kneejerk a little sometimes... sorry bout that.

Yes, I remember.

Monero doesn't need to catch up with Bitcoin as investment vehicle. It only needs to be used in commerce. That's the adoption that counts, now that we have a digital store of value and atomic swaps between Monero and Bitcoin.

The swaps seemed very high friction last I peeked. I should look again.

Because the UX still sucks. RetoSwap seems to work "better" and has some decent liquidity.

Serai hopefully brings high liquidity to BTC<>XMR