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Uncomfortable Nostr Reality check:

I've tried to Nostr-pill all my YouTube friends (some of them have incredible amounts of subs), but none of them care about the censorship resistance or decentralization. Even though they know Nostr exists, they have no incentive yet to come here. Their audience would follow them anywhere, but they need the tools to create community communications.

It's a sad reality, but it all comes down to usability, UX, and ultimately the easiness of paying and signing up for the community. None of these can afford to have a sign-up problem or issues with someone being interested in joining the community/their platform. It needs to work flawlessly and feel and look professional. Some of them charge $3-5k a year just to get access to this closed space, and people are willing to pay for this.

Another big pain point is community management. All of these YouTubers create these platforms to help their audience have a safe place to communicate with each other and build their own tribe.

Nostr is capable of facilitating all of this - we're just not there yet. We need to somehow invest so much more into UX and design.

All of this will come when the time is due. So, knowing that all of this is possible and that ultimately, Nostr will be powering most of these via the social graph, is what makes me extremely bullish. But also, let's not get ahead of ourselves and expect them to come already.

The UX and features are not there yet for these people. I am more than happy to help anybody trying to make this a reality. I want nothing more than having these people join Nostr. But I also totally understand their pain points. So, if you're a dev or a company working on this, please feel free to reach out - I can tell you all the issues they told me. Or just tell me how to best do this; maybe I can jump on a podcast so the issues are open-sourced for the whole community to hear.

#nostrdesign #asknostr

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Derek Ross 1y ago 💬 4

This is a problem that we've had for a year and a half and it's always the same responses.

Censorship resistance and decentralization are important but most people don't care about that. They just want their tools to work when they need them. They don't care about the potential. They don't care about the morality. They just want to do their job or task, or communicate without issues or struggles.

But what I can say and I believe you'll recognize too, is that we as an ecosystem are improving. Every aspect is improving. Tools are getting better, from experience to functionality.

Ultimately, the issues we have are all hard tasks for decentralized and grassroots movements to solve when there's little clear direction or roadmaps. It's probably not going to be solved by one developer or small teams, at least in the near future. They need a lot of time. Alternatively, this is going to take a lot of manpower and a lot of money.

We'll get there. It's just going to be a very slow push forward until something changes and causes acceleration.

Until then keep trying and keep taking notes on what we need to do to recruit these builders and community creators. Someone needs to see where we're lacking and beat on the improvement drum.

Love you brother.

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Latrica 1y ago

Great response. Very rational. 👏

This part stands out…

“Ultimately, the issues we have are all hard tasks for decentralized and grassroots movements to solve when there's little clear direction or roadmaps. It's probably not going to be solved by one developer or small teams, at least in the near future. They need a lot of time. Alternatively, this is going to take a lot of manpower and a lot of money.”

Five 1y ago

The content creator economy will come to nostr eventually. But needs time and FOCUSED effort.

I believe that we often talk about things not being private or decentralized enough but fail to acknowledge that real life is not perfect. We gotta solve a problem that exists with a 10x improvement FOR SOME PPL. NOT EVERYONE. Just enough to sustain operations.

In this context UX is less pressing of an issue but there is no excuse for making mistakes on rudimentary things:

MOST NOSTR APPS LACK BASIC USABILITY. PERIOD.

Let's do our best and don't fool ourselves. We can improve. We can also get help to progress faster. That's what I do on multiple fronts at this point.

It only takes one app to solve a problem with 10x improvement. Others will follow suit. But I have given up always trying to adhere to newest protocol "trends" because I have a problem to solve.

Nip04 dm-s being one example. In my app users connect via the Deal-process anyway. I'm prompting users to execute contracts elsewhere. Good enough to me FOR NOW. This is how we get results. Getting the crucial stuff right, not spreading ourselves thin.

Last but not least, *most* content creators clearly don't have a crucial problem. They are just complaining every now and then. We need to seek out those who might have vested interest in a no-bs, more Freedom-oriented solution. nostr:nprofile1qqs0ulmtcmmn8zmkh0uqmdqz4hn9j5lzpvhj8enw3xpqfd3ucsjnngcpramhxue69uhkummnw3ezuetfde6kuer6wasku7nfvuh8xurpvdjszrthwden5te0dehhxtnvdakqz8mhwden5te0wfjkccte9ehx7er9wf6kumn9wfejumn9w3mk7unt44fd8d told about ppl with humongous followings. That's NOT the criteria I would look for.

Max DeMarco 1y ago

Totally agree! I am trying to do my part and this also means to recognize we’re not there yet. But we’ll get there together

brother. Big love 🧡

Deleted Account 1y ago

Humans need to first want the world to change to benefit the most of humanity & not just theirselves.

People need to take self-accountability in their own minds to decide to change things. Reeducation is needed on multiple fronts.

I’ve worked to understand how protocols, clients etc work. Oftentimes, it appears #devs don’t work together even if they are seeking similar solutions. Bounty hunting may have worked in some parts of technology. As an outsider: I see a bunch of people who for various reasons don’t want project management nor oversight.

Cool. But don’t get big mads when others prove what’s wrong. For good or bad, #devs were warned that attacks should be expected. I know because I spoke about it as well as others.

Someone initiated some & came here & admitted it. Then it became clear many of the devs were not prepared to recognize that as expected.

Deaths from the information war continue to rise. Brainwashing & narrative warfare will become more targeted to individuals.

Keyboard warriors need to be better prepared. Timing will be considered by those who seek to destroy. People need to understand taking the ego hit by “friendly-fire” will come.

Oftentimes, there is a loss in understanding & communication barriers. Many times I’ve made more than one point on a topic & most don’t see how it’s all interconnected. Fair enough: I lack understanding of many things & seek to understand.

Maybe that’s the overarching issue. Humans always human. As an optimist I’ll always believe in the good of humanity. Many humans share similar values but lack the tools & resources to work together toward a common purpose.

Obviously 🙄, I’m fine taking all the shrapnel hits others have sent me. But it does get tiring having to deal with people who react like a spoiled child. Myself included. 😂