there are certainly benefits to l2's. but none of them are devoid of downsides. you're just conveniently ignoring them.

monero's additional complexity is certainly a trade-off.

but institutional adoption is also a trade-off.

Monero is at ATH in price, hash power and number of operating nodes. that isn't fragility.

I said that bitcoiners are like no coiners because they autistically insist that only the primitives that they understand are worthy of trust.

The number of people who trust *different and more complex* cryptographic primitives will only increase as time goes on.

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