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"My view is that the Trolley Problem is malevolent in itself"

Dude, that's a pretty strange flex to try to gatekeep contemplating a logical or moral conundrum holy fuck

Not sure how I am able to gatekeep anything. How about countering my arguments instead.

Governments that are willing to harm innocent individuals by assuming some probability thesis that can be both flawed in its probabilities and also impacted by power motives, is definitely in the malevolence spectrum.

If I am willing to pull a lever that can harm innocent individuals, that is a malevolent action even if I have or make up some motives for why it is necessary. Who am I to assume that I have sufficient data in the first place to justify harming innocent people. Central planners don't have access to most of the data and their ideology and power motives will also impact how they define a Trolley Problem.

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𝙲𝚘𝚛𝚗𝚘𝚔𝚞𝚗 2y ago

Fuck countering your argument. I'll state an opinion. The Trolley Problem is a choice between choosing the least amount of harm, if given so. Pure logic. Concepts such as malevolence should not even enter the equation if dealing with something pragmatically.

Leo Fernevak 2y ago

'I call anything that harms or destroys a thing evil, and everything that preserves and benefits it good.'

/ Socrates (via Plato's Republic)

That's the classical definition of good versus evil and it's purely logical.

Do you agree or disagree that the Trolley Problem can be used for motives of power and control? If there is agreement then we are debating situations and applications that can be explored individually.

𝙲𝚘𝚛𝚗𝚘𝚔𝚞𝚗 2y ago

"Hitler is on the default track. If you flip the switch, it smears 5 alphabet people" - Is this what you are asking?

Leo Fernevak 2y ago

Those are your assumptions, not mine.

Governments using the Trolley Problem is very risky and the potentials for harm and undermining individual liberties are evident.

Is this clear enough as to how I used the term?

𝙲𝚘𝚛𝚗𝚘𝚔𝚞𝚗 2y ago

Dude goes and quotes Socrates, but turns into a shrinking violent the second I go full Godwin in 1 post.

Nice place for genuine intellectual debate.

Leo Fernevak 2y ago

I have to assume you have some severe problems at this point. 🤣😅

𝙲𝚘𝚛𝚗𝚘𝚔𝚞𝚗 2y ago

"I have to assume you have some severe problems at this point"

Fair enough. I have to assume you are intellectually bankrupt at this point.