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I can’t find the note - the most accurate assessment I remember seeing from a BS profile on nostr is as follows:

-BS guy understands nostr

-BS guy assesses nostr as superior tech to BS

-BS guy gives up on nostr because it is more or less Btc price “discussion”

-BS guy does not mention the idea of onboarding his community to nostr

-my assessment at the time, which remains today the same, is that there is no user friendly community onboarding tool

-therefore nostr may not grow community by community past the current steady state

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Telegram type channels over nostr sorely needed

This exists already but no one cares. See Chachi, Flotilla, 0xchat. We keep thinking technology is the problem, that Nostr doesn't have much adoption because this or that "feature" is missing or because the "UX" is "bad" or other quibbles, but technology is not the problem.

I couldn’t disagree any more with what you said.

None of the above tools to my knowledge has onboarded a single community to nostr.

This is not about a “feature” or “UX”.

There is currently no solution to the problem of onboarding communities on nostr.

I’m extremely happy to be proven wrong.

It's :110percent: about UX.

If this was true then Elon Musk wouldn't have bought Twitter, he could have made X from scratch and used many millions to perfect his app's UX to be better than Twitter's and we would have won big.

They acquired Twitter for the network.

To get one community to use a new tool, you don't need an already existing network.

They ARE the network.

You need to offer something significantly better that they're willing to try or fits in to what they already do.

Chat is the most used content type.

If, at least, your Chat UX isn't better than what people already use, then what's your value prop?

I'm putting a big effort into:

- text parsing, rendering and (mostly) editing/typing

- audio

- custom emoji, GIFs, great image handling

- other stuff, right there in the chat

All for a reason.

Better Chat UX is where it all starts for Community apps.

For "winning" over Twitter, you'll have to join your local mystery babylon cult I guess.

I largely agree here, but none of this corroborates your previous point that "it's 110% about UX", but that's irrelevant, I shouldn't have started this discussion.

I just know how terribly frustrated nostr:npub1zafcms4xya5ap9zr7xxr0jlrtrattwlesytn2s42030lzu0dwlzqpd26k5 is with the current community UX 😜

So in his eyes, :110percent: probably isn't an exageration.

It's all about starting the discussion in the right community 🙈

Of course they haven't onboarded a single community, that was my point exactly: the software exists, it works, and yet it's far from sufficient.

Meanwhile communities have been formed in many other places where the software didn't exist or was much worse, because there are many many other factors involved, most of which beyond our control, and we should recognize instead of always hoping this next feature will work (I'm not saying we should not work on whatever next feature, in case that wasn't clear).

Yes there is a social, marketing element. Usually there is one or more community organizers that lead their respective communities.

I have yet to see an onboarding flow for community champions.

Ditto team is at least discussing solving the problems for the “champion” persona. Which is the correct path and focus.

Feature is not the correct focus.

I will plan to go through the mentioned tools, and evaluate through the lens of problem of community champion/organizer.

MK Fain 10mo ago

I think 90% of it is "right place, right time". Building all the apps and features and UX ensures the right place exists, but it's hard to manufacture timing. The best thing we can do is put ourselves in the best possible position for when there is another catalyst event.

That includes:

1. Have a variety of apps with a variety of features - why not? Each one is a new opportunity to be the "right place" to the right community.

2. Begin courting Nostr-friendly community leaders and onboarding them as test cases, and respond to feedback (Ditto is in this stage now)

3. Spot the opportunities. It's normally something social/political that drives entire communities off of one platform and onto another, not features. These social conflicts are often about censorship or leadership, which Nostr is in a prime position to solve.

4. Marketing! Get the word out so that when something happens that causes a community to be looking for the new "right place", they choose Nostr. This also includes expanding our community connections so that when an opportunity occurs, we have people inside/tangental to that community already who can help steer them to Nostr.

nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6 how can we get nostr:npub18ams6ewn5aj2n3wt2qawzglx9mr4nzksxhvrdc4gzrecw7n5tvjqctp424 working full time to “sell” nostr to community champions, and help guide them through onboarding?

Derek Ross 10mo ago

Fiatjaf needs to win a big StarCraft tournament so he can afford me 🤓

MAKE SONGS LONGER 10mo ago

And here I thought you were a cheap date

Derek Ross 10mo ago

Those are blasphemous rumors.

MAKE SONGS LONGER 10mo ago

Hahahahahahaha

Derek Ross 10mo ago

These are all spot on and I hope we can tackle some of them with upcoming initiatives.

We've missed a few events because we were not ready. I hope we can be ready for the next one.

Hanshan 10mo ago

as it is with IRL community building

the primary reason people choose to be in a particular community is because

*they want to be with the other people who live there*

even if it isnt necessarily the easiest lifestyle

or align with their values perfectly

or even best for them economically

so the onboarding is a social issue

not technical

These are very correct points.

Although everything is graded on a curve. Software also plays a role. For example, there are online communities I would like to follow more closely, but they're very hard to reach for me because they live on Discord or Slack, which are awfully slow and cumbersome apps, so the effort isn't worth the gain.

Bluesky doesn't have any support for communities.