When Adam Curry and John C Dvorak started doing this with No Agenda 17 years ago it was about them producing a podcast, releasing it without any restrictions and if you would Value in it you could return Value back to the show in the form of Time, Talent or Treasure.

That idea got rolled into PC 2.0 where it's free and open for people to contribute to. Along the way the V4V streaming sats and Boost got rolled into and that's "valued" like you mentioned about. I know they Value their listeners and want to help them onboard to this cool new Bitcoin music thing we're doing but it's not the V4V model. It's paying people to listen to your music which is fine but it's not the V4V model that got introduced to all of this via PC 2.0.

5 years ago people didn't even know what V4V was. It's slowly being morphed over time to mean exchanging sats or paying for something you Value and that's not what it is.

It's setting your content free and if people find Value in it they can return Value to you.

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So you charged the battery then?

I'd rather just support the band directly so they actually get my sats.

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Sure, I get that, but there's also nothing wrong with some creative marketing and fun to bring more people to the movement either. Right?

Checking the rule book..

**STEP 4: Disdain Anything Fun**

Mock anything involving zap, or people enjoying themselves. Fun is for normies. Art should be hard, serious, and ideally hosted on a IPFS server.

Damn.

I like when you drink. Your trolling makes me laugh.

Seriously though guys, good work. The site is beautiful, the music is great. The idea is interesting. I'm glad you guys are having fun, and I hope the experiment works out for you and the band.

Like I said cool idea but I don't think it's V4V. Anyways keep being awesome Derek. 🤙