FWIW, this interaction, and a few others recently, have got me thinking it may be time to consider android for next phone. Don't bring up graphebe though, not gonna happen (tried it few years ago)

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I won't bring up graphene lol!

I've seen troubling news of android authorities making g it so it's difficult to download apks directly from sources. Instead that have to be licensed with googleplay. I'll see if I can find it

Yeah I remember this. You are suggesting android though, right? There's not some 4th option freedom phone I'm forgetting? Or is this your way of saying "graphene"?

I would suggest android for now, yes

I was gonna switch to graphene. Is it really that bad? 😭

It's apparently way better than in 2021/2 when I last tried it. I mostly got discouraged cuz I wanted a nokyc spy phone, but after buying cash blah blah blah I had to connect to my home WiFi to set it up. And then, it was a pretty shit experience too. Gather it's way better now, but as daily driver it's gonna be a lot of effort imo. I'm not a real cypherpunk shrug