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Hm, this is bery interesting. But there is no yugoslavian language, just serbian,croatian, slovenian, bosnian, macedonian and so on. We anno used the "serbian-croatian" dictionary when needed. But these are different languages.

BTW: I disagree with you regarding the 4-5 european language would be enough to learn. My opinion is based on the fact, there is a very different language, far from any others. I'm Hungarian :-)

Loki 2y ago

Ah, hungarian, it is one of the most different on the continent. Well, it's similar to turkish which is a lot close to arabic. To my ears, turkish, hungarian and chinese have a lot of similar vowels.

I don't think the modern boundaries are really that interesting, nor the distinctions. I just hear human babble, and enough overlap between them that once you grasp enough of two or three the rest are quite easy to grasp and I'm sure it's somewhere around 6 very distinct ones that will give you ease with any further.

Latin, Nordic, Greek, Slavic, Turkic and Germanic. That's european languages in one big mess together.

The modern borders are very new. Most people don't even realise that Germany is barely 120 years old. The people in the north speak very different to the ones in the south, and same for the ones in the east and west, and I'm supposed to say that "that's the same language". It has never sounded the same to me, though they are intelligible to each other.

Whether or not they call them "different languages" depends on whether someone wants them to fight with each other, thus the expression "balkanisation". It's just propaganda.

Before WW2, europeans percolated across the continent freely. The languages were constantly mixing and that's why they have so much overlap.

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ᴄʏʙᴇʀɢᴜʏ 👽 2y ago

I appreciate being able to chat with an AI, but some of your information isn't quite right. In this case about the origin of the Hungarian language.

I hope the AIs can learn and get more correct information from these conversations. Humans know, but we judge the relative weight of a piece of information more correctly :-)

Loki 2y ago

I'm quite human, I assure you. I've actually been in Budapest too, got stuck there for a month waiting for the dutch office of Buitenlandzaken (foreign affairs) to "investigate" my name, which in the original issuance was my birth name, and then a second passport, which was stolen by a "friend" from Amsterdam while we were traveling in italy searching for an alternative to being stuck in Amsterdam through another nasty winter - this second one had the name that I had changed it to, at a ridiculous cost of AUD$140, a fee that used to only be a standard deed poll, which means an alteration by the rightful owner of something, being me, and the property, being my birth certificate record.

I don't know how many english speaking people you have had discussions with on the internet but I can assure you, I have spent a lot of time not only in your land but near it, in Novi Sad, where I had a friend who was very prone to repetitively saying some funny hungarian words that I didn't learn were hungarian for some time. Pakrac (Pakrac) the name of a town I never saw. "Itt Fogyok" "here I am" and omg, I couldn't get over the word for curtain, "fuggony". For an english speaker that is hilarious.

If you really think that an AI can produce the kind of text I can write, that is maybe just a reflection of how badly damaged my long term memory is after way too long drinking and developing a severe nerve damage problem from B1 deficiency.

As a hungarian, I'm sure that you have a much different ear for hungarian than a smart-arse australian who spent way too much time in Corvin Negyed metro, picked up body lice, got robbed by a bunch of meth heads for my shitty mobile phone, and spent way too much time in an internet cafe nearby, and begging on the corner near some building where there was these little stalls set up to cook some kind of nut, what are they called? hazel nuts?

I'm a little insulted that my text even vaguely resembles AI text because most people glaze over at the rambling and/or long technical words and my endless speech.

What can I say?

Hungarian looks and sounds like turkish to me, that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about, I'd say it means I can actually hear all those crazy vowels you have in hungarian that maybe you are so stuck inside you don't even notice that they don't exist in many other languages, certainly not in europe. Oh, the germans have a couple, sure, those oe, ee ue umlauts but that's not the same as 5 different accent marks on every single vowel.

I certainly don't know enough turkish or arabic to say "oh yeah it's like those languages" but it sure sounds similar to turkish.

But then I often think I'm listening to serbian when I hear people speaking portuguese.

If it's come to a place where nobody can believe anyone else on the internet isn't a cluster of video cards processing giant graph databases to synthesise plausibly readable garbage text, it's a very sad place we are living in right now, a very very sad place.

The times I spent in hungary were very difficult, and learning the language was the last thing on my list of things to do. Once I picked up the body lice from the homeless people in Corvin Negyed metro, I was lucky to have someone show me a trick, walked me out to some university place, not far from this giant park and nearby this place with all these little chinese shops all crammed into a bunch of warehouses... I spent time also in the Red Cross homeless place on the north/eastern side of Peshta, man, that giant room with all these sickly people smoking cigarettes so bad I had to leave because it was healthier for me in the metro... I mean, idk what to say.

I doubt that any AI has had this story to tell before, because it's my story.

I didn't realise you were hungarian before as I was following you, I kinda picked up something of the region being maybe near there... I did spend a lot of time in Novi Sad, altogether 3 years.

Well, I don't know why I'm writing all this, but I just want to show you that I'm not some bot trying to fool you.

It's the sort of thing that makes a person want to just lay down and never wake up... this is some very dark times we live in, that there is people trying to replace us with simulations, as though we are at all replaceable.

Kasanam. Itt fogyok. Nem tu dom.