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The smallpox and polio vaccines as well? What’s the scam? Do vaccines never, in fact, stimulate an immune response? Does that response never actually protect against disease?

Alan ₿ 2y ago

Every vaccine prior to COVID took years to develop. By that time, cases for each disease had already begun to plummet due to herd immunity. It’s simply not true that the polio vaccine ended polio, or that the smallpox vaccine ended smallpox. Look at the data.

Vaccines needn’t be scams entirely. The reason they are scams is because they have been presented as infallible, when in reality they are evaded by new strains of each virus, and mandated for the purpose of fiat profits and control of the population, despite having not-insubstantial risks associated with them, which are always buried and censored.

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Alan ₿ 2y ago

If the vaccines were not scams, there would be no need to mandate them. People would decide to get vaccinated of their own volition. Ask yourself why this isn’t the case.

As always, follow the fiat…

Knightstr 2y ago

What, in your opinion, ended smallpox and polio?

Alan ₿ 2y ago

Herd immunity, better sanitation, and reduced use of harmful pesticides.

Knightstr 2y ago

So where is the herd immunity derived from?

Alan ₿ 2y ago

Exposure to the virus

river 2y ago

Why did polio disappear after mass inoculation then

Alan ₿ 2y ago

Was already trending downwards due to herd immunity, better sanitation, and reduced use of harmful pesticides.

To be clear, the polio vaccine likely did have some beneficial effect early on, but it was not the primary reason for cases to plummet, and it’s success is vastly overstated.

If anyone wants to get this vax, or any vax, that is for each individual to decide, but no vaccines should be mandated.

Knightstr 2y ago

I agree that mandates are bad. But I think it’s bizarre that you tout “herd immunity” while intentionally avoiding stating that the primary source of that immunity comes from a vaccine. The alternative would be widespread community infection of polio, which we know didn’t happen.

Consistency my friend. You can say vaccines are both bad and good. Don’t fear nuance.

Alan ₿ 2y ago

Vaccine immunity is known as artificial immunity, and it wanes over time. Natural immunity, commonly known as herd immunity, lasts for longer and is more effective.

Don’t feat nuance, my friend. Keep digging. Don’t trust what I say. Look into it yourself.

Knightstr 2y ago

I was vaccinated for MMR as a child, and as a requirement for academia as an adult, was required to get antibody titers.

My MMR antibodies were still sufficient, after 20 years.

Some vaccines wane, in my case, herpes zoster (chickenpox).

Anecdotal evidence, sure, but I feel you’re painting with a broad brush here.

graycat 2y ago

Do you have any dogs or cats? If so, have you not had them vaccinated against rabies? Should we rely on naturally acquired immunity instead?

Alan ₿ 2y ago

Yes, I am ok having a dog that has not been vaccinated from rabies. Notice that this is quite different from being ok having a dog *with* rabies.

graycat 2y ago

I believe in your basic moral goodness. I just want to point out that rabies infections are almost 100% fatal to animals with an untrained immune system. And the death is painful.

Alan ₿ 2y ago

There are lots of things in this world that can kill you, and you’ll never be inoculated against all of them. 100% death rate does not mean 100% infection rate.

graycat 2y ago

Why wear a seatbelt when there are so many other things that can kill you?

At least we can say that rabies vaccines aren’t a scam. In order to be sold in the United States, they have to be at least 88% effective in challenge trials. Going from nearly zero chance of survival to 88% is a big deal. And rabies vaccines do prevent spread.

https://todaysveterinarypractice.com/preventive-medicine/rabies-vaccination-in-dogs/

Knightstr 2y ago

Would you agree that because of mass vaccination, the majority of total people “exposed to the virus” were exposed via vaccine rather than organic interaction with a live strain of circulating polio?

Ike 2y ago

Both conditions were reclassified to present a victory for poison shots. Look into virology for the answers - it's funny how blatantly pseudo-scientific of a field it is.

The father of germ theory was a charlatan, who privately admitted to the scam before his death.

https://odysee.com/@TheTruthSeeker:f/The-truth-about-smallpox:0