Replying to Condor

Drug legalization only brings civilizations on their knees. When you have a cheap hyperspace where everything is ok even if your life choices are a mess, people relax and do the mess and we can see that around
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Kayne 7mo ago

You are thinking of poverty not drugs.

Drugs are not good or bad.

People who are living in poverty use drugs as an escape, that is called an unhealthy coping mechanism and a symptom of poverty.

Give people access to the resources they need to lift themselves out of poverty and they will.

Look at all the drunken violence and everything bad that comes with alcohol abuse, now compare that to the organised crime and gang violence during prohibition and the fact that when alcohol was illegal everyone was still using it(just that the people making the alcohol couldn't be sued when they made a bad batch full of methanol that poisoned people etc.)

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Condor 7mo ago

I know people from rich families that destroy their life with drugs more than poors. This idea that behaviour derives from money is false.

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Low Information Voter 7mo ago

IMHO, drugs of dependence are suicide, but with extra steps. And with a non-trivial chance of being saved, but with a lot more harm inflicted on third parties.

I never met anyone who tried heroin / fentanyl without going through suicidal thoughts first. I'm sure such people exist, but I've not met one.

If hard drugs were legal, people would still kill themselves with them, but there'd be less adulteration, and no need to commit crimes of addiction (pharmaceutical-grade heroin in a thing for terminal cancer patients, and less than $1 a hit. Fentanyl is even cheaper to manufacture.)

We're not saving anyone by keeping them illegal, anyone who wants to find will. But by keeping them illegal we greatly empower the prison-industrial complex, the secret police services, and police informers aka organised crime bosses.

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Condor 7mo ago

My personal proposal would be that people that use drugs should never be punished but people that push and induce others to do so should be severely punished.

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Low Information Voter 7mo ago

Hollywood-style "pushers" aren't real, but we could and should enforce a seller's "Duty of Care". This should also be a thing for alcohol, of course. The so-called "Good Publican", but with actual liability for harm.

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Condor 7mo ago

The point is that most drugs are a one way tunnel and while people should be free to decide there are some people that do not understand the consequences of their action and some years in everybody life when we are quite stupid. Ok with reversible wrong choices but not irreversible

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Low Information Voter 7mo ago

Truth, but what about alcohol, motorbikes, skydiving, unsafe sex, horse-riding, mountain-biking and rollerblading?

(I've only come to serious harm from the last two).

If people are warned of the dangers by the supplier and choose to continue... they're making a choice. A choice we should not make for them.

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Condor 7mo ago

Yes but admit. At 18 when you speed with a car you do not realize what is an accident. I went into a tree at 100mph. I am a survivor. I would never do that now and I am happy I didn't have to pay all my life for a stupid stunt. People are free to decide when they can really understand the consequences.

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Low Information Voter 7mo ago

Truth, and I'm glad you're okay, but IRL I know people in their forties and fifties still doing stupid stuff.

At some point, "you're an adult and responsible for your choices" has to start...