just skip straight to the disposal part.

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Nope, they are great for QubesOS, that is my main reason :-)

Especially the old ones, but thus far I have had no real need to nuke the processor backdoor

i've never got a xen kernel to boot on hardware ever. but maybe that's because i insist on AMD.

With Qubes chosing old hardware from the HCL list is the way to go, at least initially