That was what the guy said: "why would I pay more on podcasting 2.0 if I have it already on Spotify?".

I guess, you're right. Podcasters will lure the listeners to Fountain or something. It's just I frequently keep feeling like a naive idealist.

I'm giving the guy a chance, he said he'll listen to our WNET convo on a flight. He now has a choice: Spotify or Fountain.

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It's probably because you are one 😀