That was what the guy said: "why would I pay more on podcasting 2.0 if I have it already on Spotify?".
I guess, you're right. Podcasters will lure the listeners to Fountain or something. It's just I frequently keep feeling like a naive idealist.
I'm giving the guy a chance, he said he'll listen to our WNET convo on a flight. He now has a choice: Spotify or Fountain.