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I've had a LOT of conversations with people about Nostr, really people who are aware of Nostr but don't use it.

There are a few things that come up.

* General admiration for Nostr and how it does tons of interesting things in terms of tech. It's way more flexible than ATprotocol or ActivityPub.

* Frustration with the way user accounts / logins / keys work. It's very confusing if you're not somebody who already understands crypto. Mostly it's confusing because of how we talk about it. If we tell people, here's your magic user text, paste this in places and you'll be magically logged in, they love it. If we try and explain custody and wallets and keys and browser extensions and all the ways you can login with Nostr, their eyes glaze over.

* Not feeling like it's a place for them. Everybody is talking about Bitcoin and Nostr. Most folks don't care very much about the underlying tools or how payments work. They want to talk about their interests, surfing, food, travel, their friends. or ten million other things. They see Nostr as a bitcoin place. Most people have either no opinion or a negative opinion of bitcoin because somebody tried to evangelize it too hard.

* Zaps, folks love zaps. I've heard from board members and the executives of Bluesky that they want zaps. Folks don't like bitcoin and bitcoin content but they do want the functionality. The problem is when creators come to Nostr, they only get zaps for content that is about nostr or bitcoin. There's no good way to build and sustain themselves with other content.

* Algorithms - we all have a love hate relationship with algorithms. We say we don't want them, but we choose to use systems with algorithms. We have them in nostr with DVM's and it works. But it's not well integrated in to the apps and most feed services via DVM's are way too slow. The algorithm helps people be seen, grow an audience, find their people, keep being engaged. We built the proof of concept but didn't make it in to a good product.

These things that keep people from Nostr are fixable. What i'm going at with my podcast is to build a larger movement, Nostr is a solution, but people on Nostr aren't my intended audience. ;-D

I much prefer Mastodon over Nostr, though I do like the idea.

I agree that the ā€œBitcoinā€ part might throw a lot of potential users off. There are people who just don’t like the idea of cryptocurrencies and that’s okay. I was one of those people. I’m only open to Bitcoin because of Nostr. It is kinda a bitcoin circlejerk over here, not that it is necessarily a bad thing, it just throws people off. There are a lot of libertarian leftists looking for a new social media home and I will recommend they come here and to Mastodon. Both platforms are great. #mastodon #nostr #btc #bitcoin

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I agree

Libertarian leftist?

Yes. Plenty of us to go around

Welcome, and followed. I feel the same content-wise, but I’m having fun on the ā€œbuilding Nostrā€ side of things; something I haven’t experienced with ActivityPub in ages. I hope more people like you decide to stay and help break Nostr’s cold shoulder towards non-BTC / non-Nostr subjects. The protocol has merit on its own, even if content-wise it’s still a work in progress on most fronts.

Followed back, friend!

Have you already deleted your account for real? If so, do you mind sharing some feedback around the why (feel free to DM me if you want to keep it private I'm also on Mastodon @anthony@accioly.social).

Yeah I agree too. Its definitely a nerdy btc circle jerk here. And I am a bitcoiner...

I feel the same! I used to be more active on TikTok but now that it’s been sold I’ve been trying to mention Nostr at every chance possible lol

The bitcoin talk isn’t too bad when balanced out with other content but not many lifestyle / entertainment cc

Hoping to see that change with time

Mastodon (Fediverse) is currently more diverse for sure, but back in 2009 it looked very much like nostr does today: just swap the word "bitcoin" with "opensource".

I love the fediverse for its fauna and flora, but i think it is ill equipped for the modern internet. It only decentralizes the value we create on it (posts, social graph) while it fully centralizes identity (single point of failure to access the network) The natively cryptographic nature of nostr is a lot more resilient. The nostr network is permissionless, but relays are not. Which leads me to deduce that it is possible to build far tighter and safer communities on this platform, without tying anyone up to an admin. Since it's equally confusing to explain fediverse than it is explaining nostr, i have entirely given up on trying to grow the fediverse and shifted my attention to nostr. And i say this as the maintainer of 5 different activitypub thingies. Which is also a testimony of the shortcomings of mastodon: you need a new account for every format...

Granted, Mastodon didn't exist in 2009, but the federated social web did, it was called identica.

I think both the fediverse and nostr have a place in the modern internet world.

I'm not as optimistic. In fact, it saddens me to see dissidence being organized on fediverse. It's far too easy to deplatform a user, and it has very poor means to verify the authenticity of an account. The network is gaining momentum in grass roots looking for independence, at the same point in time as the corporate world, who in turn sees the decentralized value and centralized control.

Time will tell.

True that most of the conversation on Nostr is about two main topics:

1. building Nostr

2. Bitcoin

That’s because Nostr was built by Bitcoiners who passionately believe in what they are doing.

For what it’s worth, Nostr has far more potential than mastodon as a truly decentralized network. And the Nostr platforms like Damus and Primal seem to have passed Mastadon in UX design. At least since the last time I looked at Mastadon anything a couple of years ago.

I use Damus, didn’t like Primal much.

Ivory for Mastodon is my winner though, such a beautiful, customizable, and easy design.

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