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Correct nostr:npub1wtuh24gpuxjyvnmjwlvxzg8k0elhasagfmmgz0x8vp4ltcy8ples54e7js was on point with his point of human interaction.

Like nostr:npub1g3827ewz6d23rlgdhkaslc78gyule52ymcqdyt2hsxdwtlw8dt5q7dfpvg said their are dangers in having extreme views on either side as what is acceptable . Let the user decide what is most appropriate. Is this type of mentality not what we all ran away from and sought refuge on here for?

Ascribing what value should or shouldn't be in relation to thoughts or ideas is the wrong way to look at things. If you want to make money create a product or sell a service. Ideas and thoughts are priceless. Value is just as open ended as the individual. For me a like is an official endorsement that can't be taken back, a repost is co-signing and a zap is well a zap a monetary exchange of value, which is their choice. Other people might have a differing view on what each tool does, which proves my point as what I think value is, is different than what you think it is. As nostr:npub1g3827ewz6d23rlgdhkaslc78gyule52ymcqdyt2hsxdwtlw8dt5q7dfpvg pointed out their are other forms of capital and a like is an expression of social capital. It is an endorsement that I like what this person is saying and acknowledgement.

The danger of a OnlyZap world is it will invite the shitcoin casino of parasites and grifters. Where their only goal is to extract as much value as possible without giving anything back to the community. All you have to do is look at all the scammy ways shitcoin projects build their communities inorganicaly and ultimately fail. Constant giveways, botting and worst of all airdrops. Every single one of those enticements kill communities as once the money stops flowing people move on to the next fresh host. It's a value black hole. Does the Nostr community want a future similar to this?

The #nostr protocol is beautiful in the sense that it's open-ended and I would remind #devs not to get wrapped up in believing that one solution is better than the other and take away choice from the user. Let the user decide what value they would like to exchange.

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I think the extreme opinions on either side of issues are always driven by fear and misunderstanding of the other view. In this case, Onlyzaps maxis blame likes for poisoning the social media well, while those who resent it see it as way to cheapen social interaction by tying everything to money.

In reality what we all fear and hate is manipulation and corporate algorithms that make us pawns. That's why being monetized has such a bitter feeling to many, lkke being used. It's why the like function gets so much hate, because it was used as a tool to train behaviors. When in reality we're all just craving freedom from manipulation and decentralization. So let's not centralize or start thought policing to combat centralized thought policing. Give the user all the power to curate their own experience.

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nobody 2y ago

You summarized this well for my side.

I also think it will hurt Nostr adoption much more than it will help BTC adoption.

I’ve been wrong before, but I know I wouldn’t have stayed sans the option to like. Now I plan to operate a lightning node in the future. And I still click like and enjoy likes. Options are king, imo.

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Like most good comments, I both liked and zapped this πŸ˜‰

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nobody 2y ago

I will put them both in my little piles of treasure. ❀️

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Merdellow 2y ago

You hit the nail on the head.

For many I feel they are trained and conditioned to view likes as the currency of the algorithm just like the follow to follower ratio. I think many are bringing the baggage from legacy social media on here where it doesn't apply. The user is the algo and not the service this time around. We curate our own experience like you said.

Someone who is just starting out has an equal chance of being seen and heard just as the guy with 10000+ followers since the algo doesn't exist on Nostr. One could argue the guy with more followers has more reach, but I doubt that at least on here, as I will get people liking things even though they aren't followers. So everything you learned about social media marketing goes out the window on here, imo.

In all honesty, now that I think about a reply to a note is more valuable than either a like or a zap. Why you ask? Because it takes time to write a meaningful reply and time is the most valuable currency of them all even moreso than #Bitcoin as every second that goes by you're closer to death and you can't get time back.

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Proof of work!

No response...they didn't see anything or it wasn't worth their time

Like....worth at least an acknowledgement and reading enough to react in a positive manner

Zap....worthy enough to express approval with sats

Boost/renote....stamp of approval

Reply/Quote....and investment in the content and a desire to add to it or engage in conversation. Spending the most valuable of all resources, time.

All engagement is useful for feedback, some is much richer data. I don't want to deprive myself or anybody else of any of it.

One thing is for sure, 1 like on Nostr is worth more to me than a like elsewhere.