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nostr:npub1syjmjy0dp62dhccq3g97fr87tngvpvzey08llyt6ul58m2zqpzps9wf6wl why is every single default relay in jumble.social trash? I remember the default relay censoring me but now there's not even a single relay in the list that doesn't. Horrible first impression of nostr's so-called "censorship resistance" for new users

Cody 6mo ago

The fact that I can see your note at all is actually the best proof of nostr’s censorship resistance.

Jumble intentionally avoids using large public relays as defaults to prevent users from being immediately exposed to NSFW content or spam. The current default relays are chosen to showcase the idea of relays as curated communities, each with its own moderation policy. I'm not on the whitelist of any of them either, haha.

Censorship resistance doesn’t mean everyone sees everything. It means that even if you're banned from many relays, you can still set up your own with like-minded people and keep expressing yourself freely. Jumble is just a tool to explore relays.

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🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 6mo ago

It's insane that you're not whitelisted by any of those relays. I didn't know that.

But I don't get why you'd showcase those ones then

Cody 6mo ago

Because I want to promote the idea of relays as communities, where the relay operator acts like a community curator. The tone and content style of each relay reflects the taste of its operator. These relays are like different magazines. Of course, we’re still a long way from fully realizing this idea.

Here are the reasons I chose the current default relays:

wss://nostr.wine/ — a paid relay

wss://pyramid.fiatjaf.com/ — an invite-only relay

wss://relays.land/spatianostra/ — a relay where content inclusion is decided by votes from a specific group of people

wss://theforest.nostr1.com/ — a personally curated relay (not totally sure about the exact strategy)

wss://algo.utxo.one/ — an algorithmic relay

wss://140.f7z.io/ — a short-text relay (max 140 characters)

wss://news.utxo.one/ — a news bot relay

wss://yabu.me/ — a relay focused on Japanese content

🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 6mo ago

I like your work because you seem more honest, you listen to feedback, jumble's notification view is my favorite, etc.

But censorship-resistant, magazine-like communities seem better served as JavaScript-free forums on Tor. Nostr's advantage is supposed to be an interconnected platform where everyone sees each other's posts while using their preferred interfaces

Cody 6mo ago

I think most people aren’t that interested in seeing everyone’s posts. That’s actually one of the reasons many users leave Nostr shortly after trying it, there’s no good way to discover relevant content, so new users are just flooded with a bunch of stuff they don’t care about.

🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 6mo ago

Weird, I didn't notice a notification for this reply.

Anyway, giving people better content discovery isn't achieved by isolating them in small echo chambers, and I don't care what idiots are interested in