people look at it like it's a 7 headed beast but it's usually because they know the framework and not js/ts. Ran into that first time 15 years ago w/ jQuery people. It seemed odd they didn't get js without the framework but it's just continued since then.

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I love vanilla js. When I realized that with modern browsers you didn't need jquery it was a revelation. I still have that skillset and use it often to step outside framework limitations.

Exactly my point. 😁 You already know vanilla, so, just dump the fw and go with it. Use some es6 or 7 to help minimize your code a bit and it just flows.