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Replying to Avatar Daniel Wigton

I agree, that Israel got a king because they rejected God and that human kings are corrupt. But that doesn't negate the point I was making. The verses I posted where to show that when God allows another to have authority over us we are to be obedient. This is of course subject to the moral law. You would not follow a human law to the violation of God's law.

The whole point is that authoritative hierarchies are NOT contrary to the good and to the will of God. Families being the prime example. It is specifically WANTING a human king at the top of the hierarchy in place of God that is the problem.

You can't just read Judges and ignore everything else. If you have a way to explain the points I made from the new testament, I am willing to consider it.

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The Beave 8mo ago

I agree that proper authority CAN exist. I will not agree that it DOES exist, ESPECIALLY not in the Catholic Church as a whole.

I am still working on your NT examples. I am not ignoring them. My work schedule sucks for having a contiguous discussion.

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