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There are lines that separate the grey from the black and white. Hamas crossed that line on 10-7.

There have been suggestions that the line was not truly crossed.

For example: Hamas' intent was to kill IDF soldiers in their sleep; and that IDF soldiers are a valid military target.

I reject this on a few grounds.

a) One does not preface a sneak attack on soldiers in their beds by launching a massive barrage of rockets all through their territory. Such a launch guarantees that the soldiers will be up and armed.

b) A sneak attack in the midst of a declared cease-fire invalidates the action.

c) The taking of hundreds of hostages must have been planned in advance and is inconsistent with the mission of killing soldiers in their sleep.

d) Filming the torture, rape, and execution of civilians, and posting those videos on-line is inconsistent with the mission of killing soldiers in their sleep.

e) Using ultra-light aircraft to attack a dance concert is inconsistent with the mission of killing soldiers in their sleep.

f) Going house to house in civilian neighborhoods and killing families in their safe rooms and bomb shelters is inconsistent with the mission of killing soldiers in their sleep.

Thus, the mission was never to kill soldiers in their sleep. The mission was terror.

From: (mark) at 11/03 16:48

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> Anyway, I just realized that some people were acting as if there is an easily agreed to ethical line here for all cases which is never gray, but of course there is gray. That’s interesting to me.

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I hope you don't think that I believe the mission was to kill soldiers in their sleep. I hope you don't believe that I think Hamas was justified in their actions. I hope you don't believe that I support Hamas in any way.

Arguing from a smart phone while travelling, it is tempting to make comments short, which risks misunderstanding.

My point has been that there is a position one could take in support of Hamas that requires a particular set of beliefs about the facts (which I hardly share) and which is not nornatively morally relative nor relies on various leftwing beliefs if which Kisin is sure are the foundation of all support of Palestine.

Also of note, only a very tiny sliver of left-wing Pro-Palestinians think Hamas's actions are justifiable. Most see Hamas as detrimental to Palestinians. Most simply don't believe Israels retaliation in its given form is ethical, and they care about dead babies.

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