That's what I mean when I say it was his motivation. It reads to me like "these dumb fucks keep ruining our lives, so we made this thing so that they aren't physically and probably mentally capable of changing it." I'm saying its creator was political but none of its functions are.

I'll take scarcity over small blocks. I'm not ruling monero out either tho. The inflation for it barely matters after a long enough run, but I don't know enough about it to debate much more than that.

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I understand your point that blockchain technology itself… cryptographically linking a chain with hashes at the L1 is not inherently political

But attaching monetary value to that tech shifted it into political territory

The terms “political” and “state” are not synonymous

Operating a money transmission technology outside of state control is an inherently political tech

As far as fiat goes, they are. As far as money goes tho, as far as most sellable good, the market decides that on its own. Which also is not political, so much as an effect of each individual acting out of their own best interest. We've been conditioned to associating the state and the currency, that we call money. So in that paradigm, anything that can behave like money would look political.

So do you consider someone not voting a political act?

Yes I opt out of voting as a political act often- my non-participation is a statement about opting out

Politics is defined as how a society organizes, distributes, and/or contests power, authority, and resources

Bitcoin is a money yes… in the sense that UTXOs have a spendable monetary value but the network itself is a “network of nodes”- a society, so to speak and rough consensus is the means by which that society is exercising decision making

How do we decide softforks? That’s a political activity

Programmable electronic cash has to upgrade regularly

Those upgrades require political activity- rough consensus for a soft fork

Well right, but if you don't participate in the politics, then you aren't being political. If politics is how we participate in decision making and you don't participate-you don't make a decision-how can it be political? You can't be moving and still at the same time.

By that premise, then sure Bitcoin is a decision making machine. But it's literally only machines doing the decision making. I don't decide that ocean finds the next block, ant finds the one after that, and I find the one after that. No one does.

It's an organization of sorts-of transactions-but to my initial point, the participation in that unit of account only enables the individuals to participate in every other aspect of their lives. If we didn't live in this shit storm, it wouldn't be political and neither would sex, gender, the climate. All of that shit got thrown in and manipulated in order to manipulate us. It made those things political that it gave other people the ability to manipulate us.

Bitcoin can't manipulate. It can't be manipulated. If everything is political, then yes, Bitcoin is political. But in the world outside of that purview, it's just a store of value and medium of exchange. It's just money.

Fiat is political. Bitcoin is the abstention from politics.

I see your point but I think we’re just going to have to realize we are operating from two separate axioms

And as long as that is true, from our own foundational premises we are both right 🤷🏼‍♀️

Lol. Yeah, I was getting there. This was very thought provoking. Thanks for the food for thought.

The pleasure was mine! Thanks 🙏

I wouldn't have taken it that easy on him

Dude ignored the dictionary and made up his own meanings of words and wasted a bunch of your time refusing to clarify his made up words

That's just bad behavior, not much of an "axiom"

He's also one of my gangstalkers on here

He gang stalks you?

He's not a core driver but he's one of the many people that have joined the bandwagon. Basically all the high follower npubs have though, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it since it gets really annoying to everyone if I keep pointing them out to everyone all the time

Oh well… it seems like you’re a dev of some sort so I’m sure you know about good opsec

But I would say maybe start wearing some black obsidian 😉 always works in a pinch

I don't believe you but I might try it anyway because you could know something I don't 🤙

If you decide to give it a shot… let me know what you think :)