Yes, the same thing. Fiat and shitcoin is the same thing. Mining is fine, unless it is mining by investing. I mean, if you sell your time and energy to get shitcoins to get bitcoin - that's fine. But if you already have shitcoins and you use them to fool other random people (a.k.a. invest) to get more shitcoins before you buy bitcoin - that is not cool. Except if you know that every single one you are fooling is evil.