Agree , that why I mentioned “core values”. Bitcoin built the culture to avoid address reuse and tools followed. But that could only be done because bitcoin was already a UTXO design
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If it can become a thing in Nostr and people truly want that then it will. Just like it happened with Bitcoin. Bitcoin started with address reuse.
Agree! That’s why I am pushing for it. :)
I disagree that "no address reuse" is a Bitcoin core value. It's just a practice to preserve privacy.
But we should not forget the purpose. Value transfer or money doesn't benefit greatly by being attached to identity. A messaging system makes more sense due to reputation.
Value transfer doesn’t benefit from an identity? Our entire financial system is designed to associate money and identity.
Exactly... 😉
Although I said "greatly". It does benefit in some cases, but it's not core. You don't need to give or know identity in order to transact commercially.
Now I re-read your post and I realize you were being sarcastic, right?
That's what happens when one answers in a rush.
You are being KYCed in every non cash transaction you make. You just don't know about it. And finance includes credit cards, loans, app payments, stock purchases, etc. Everything needs your id.
Sure, and that's a problem. However, here we are talking about finance, not value transfer which is a lower layer. For value transfer, like money, identity is not required (even avoided ideally).
Back to the initial point, that's why address reuse makes sense in Bitcoin.
But when talking about a messaging platform or protocol, identity becomes relevant because you might need to know who sent the message, or you might even want others to know you sent the message. And reputation is another thing to consider. All pointing to identity.
These days even lower layers are KYCed. Venmo, cash app, apple pay, they all have your ID. The only thing that doesn't use your id is pure cash, which virtually no one uses anymore.
I like this conversation, but bitcoin address reuse is encouraged to obfuscate your identity or association with UTXO's. In the case of Nostr or any social media the objectie is to associate an identity with messages.
A success point of twitter was its ability to create anon accounts. We can think of identity management as many anon accounts that someone could prove they control "if" they want to.
Correct. The problem of nostr is exactly that there is only one identity, one key. If you move to another key, you have to start from scratch. PMs are resetter, followers need to migrate etc. In the long term, having your life tied to just one identity is dangerous.
But you could always prove you control this other identity by messaging from your original identity.
Not necessarily. You want to disclose to your friends and followers, but you may not want to disclose your identity with the whole world. We are just too used to surveillance to even realize that it's not needed.
well the beauty of what you are describing is the ability to use anon accounts but be able to prove to others that "you" identity of another account controls this other anon account where random strangers may not know this.
you could do this by generating a new nostr priv key and then messaging to followers you want to know proof that you control this other account.