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I'll also add that those "nagging" injuries are usually connective tissue not muscle. Steroids grow the muscles but not connective tissue which causes it to fall behind and out of balance with muscle increasing the risk of injury. That is going to skew the odds of those types of injury in bodybuilders.

MAHDOOD 1mo ago

A friend of mine trains “traditionally” and has torn his acl and at least partially torn his shoulder. But he’s not on steroids. I actually don’t know anyone on steroids but most of the people I know who train have nagging shoulder and neck pain. I’ve heard conversations between people that train who talk about a time when they strained their neck/shoulder and how it’s never been the same since. I remember having that same pain myself when I used to train “traditionally” about 10 years ago. There are tons of memes about it. It’s not a thing that only people on steroids experience.

The point is, you can train explosively and get good results. Just understand that you are at increased risk for injury.

Regarding recovery, it’s based on genetics, nutrition, and rest. If you are getting the exact same amount of rest, and eating the same diet when training both ways, but still feel like you have more energy and strength during your BJJ sessions after training explosively, then the most rational explanation I can think of is that you still have some muscle fibers which haven’t been fatigued. That’s why I wonder if you are doing it correctly. Do you track reps and time under load?

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Bill Cypher 1mo ago

Traditional body building or power lifting isn't what I'm talking about. Did stronglifts as a n00b too. Terrible pain all the time within just a couple months and no performance benefit outside of the weight room. Doubled my deadlift but stairs weren't any easier.

Weight and reps tracked. TUT not tracked, looking at it more from the effective reps angle. If I'm failing to train some of the fibers why am I seeing gains on the mats rolling and in the mirror in just a couple weeks despite having been training for months and stalled before?

MAHDOOD 1mo ago

I think TUT is most important to track but they're all important and help you form a big picture of your progress. I look at my reps and TUT from the previous week and try to improve both. Sometimes I fail with fewer reps but more TUT. This usually indicates that I was moving too fast the week before. Sometimes both improve which is as close to an objective indicator of growth that I can find without spending tons of money measuring muscle volume. Other times both are weaker which forces me to reevaluate what is going on. Did I get enough sleep? Did my body fully recover? Am I distracted? Am I being lazy? It's useful data that can be easily tracked with a stopwatch. You can buy one and keep it around your neck. Start it and then begin your exercise. Stop it after you finish. Write down the weight, time, and reps. Monitor your progress over time. If you just base your progress on how you feel and look, it can be misleading. Some people look more muscular after they lean out but actually have less strength when they are bulky. It could be that you were getting stronger but you didn't get enough rest to fully experience that strength. I sometimes give myself 2 weeks rest just to be sure. You can experiment this yourself. Take two weeks off from training and just see if you feel stronger doing BJJ. If you do feel stronger, and you weren't training, what would be the rational explanation? We don't really have a signaling mechanism in our bodies that tell us when we have fully recovered.

Bill Cypher 1mo ago

Morning resting heart rate and heart rate variability right after waking up for cardio system.

Grip strength for central nervous system.

Bar velocity at a fixed weight for muscles.

Those 3 systems are capable of separate independent stress and recovery cycles and need to be individually monitored.

You say more breaks but I'm training more now because I'm doing a kettlebell day in addition to my barbell day. It doesn't take long but it is hard as hell.

MAHDOOD 1mo ago

Do you know what can help your nervous system recover?

Bill Cypher 1mo ago

All I've found is sleep and other "remove all stress of any kind for a while" approaches. I like to lay on an accupressure mat listening to relaxing or healing binaural beats on my noise cancelling headphones and do mindful progressive muscle relaxation.